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  • #16
    Originally posted by Gary the Gargoyle View Post
    It was a nice win by the Blue Jays. However, the #14 ranked team in the country should beat an un-ranked team on a neutral floor.
    It's so early....I guess I don't look at the rankings that much now....at least until some teams have played some competition

    An impressive win for CU....I've always like McD, so I'm happy for him until they play us.....

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    • #17
      I forgot to mention that I can't stand Bo Ryan so anytime he gets beat it's fine with me

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      • #18
        I know this will start a debate but so what...

        Doug McDermott is a great player and had a good game...but...credit where credit is due...
        Jared Berggren in my opinion actually had as good or better game and - I know it's only one game - but I think he is a very good player as well...

        Berggren scored 27 compared to McDermott's 30 but Berggren got his 27 on just 14 shots compared to McDermott's 23 shot attempts...
        if roughly translated - then Berggren would/could have had 44 points if he had taken 23 shots!

        Also Berggren hit 40% of his treys compared to 20% for Dougie, and Berggren didn't commit 5 turnovers and get a couple of his shots blocked back in his face.
        I would go so far as to say they are similarly skilled players, but Berggren is 3 inches taller, can play above the rim, is 2-3 inches taller, may get drafted as high and have as good of a shot in the NBA as the All American, and I even dare say if Berggren were to play day in and day out against the mid-major opponents that McDermott faces, then Berggren would be an All American as well.

        I know it's early and the two players are going to face vastly different defenses with Creighton getting to face the weaker half of the Valley a dozen times...but here are a current comparison of their stats...

        McD: 5 games, 19.4 ppg on 12.4 shots per game, 52% on FG's, 29% on 3-pt, 93% on FT, 7.6 rpg, 0.2 blks, and 5 TO last night, 13 on the season
        Berg: 5 games, 16.2 ppg on 10.4 shots per game, 56% on FG's, 29% on 3-pt, 86% on FT, 7 rebs, 2 blks, only 4 TO all season thus far

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        • #19
          Originally posted by tornado View Post
          I know this will start a debate but so what...

          Doug McDermott is a great player and had a good game...but...credit where credit is due...
          Jared Berggren in my opinion actually had as good or better game and - I know it's only one game - but I think he is a very good player as well...

          Berggren scored 27 compared to McDermott's 30 but Berggren got his 27 on just 14 shots compared to McDermott's 23 shot attempts...
          if roughly translated - then Berggren would/could have had 44 points if he had taken 23 shots!

          Also Berggren hit 40% of his treys compared to 20% for Dougie, and Berggren didn't commit 5 turnovers and get a couple of his shots blocked back in his face.
          I would go so far as to say they are similarly skilled players, but Berggren is 3 inches taller, can play above the rim, is 2-3 inches taller, may get drafted as high and have as good of a shot in the NBA as the All American, and I even dare say if Berggren were to play day in and day out against the mid-major opponents that McDermott faces, then Berggren would be an All American as well.

          I know it's early and the two players are going to face vastly different defenses with Creighton getting to face the weaker half of the Valley a dozen times...but here are a current comparison of their stats...

          McD: 5 games, 19.4 ppg on 12.4 shots per game, 52% on FG's, 29% on 3-pt, 93% on FT, 7.6 rpg, 0.2 blks, and 5 TO last night, 13 on the season
          Berg: 5 games, 16.2 ppg on 10.4 shots per game, 56% on FG's, 29% on 3-pt, 86% on FT, 7 rebs, 2 blks, only 4 TO all season thus far
          No debate here.Are you saying you would rather have Berggren than McDermott. Not me I'll take Dougie anyday. Agree berggren is a nice player but he's no McDermott IMO.

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          • #20
            I like them both...Berggren had the better game in my opinion...or at least the most productive...he seems like the typical Wisconsin big man

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            • #21
              Originally posted by lefty View Post
              It's so early....I guess I don't look at the rankings that much now....at least until some teams have played some competition

              An impressive win for CU....I've always like McD, so I'm happy for him until they play us.....
              It's not too early for me. We have to win these types of games early, and let the rankings take care of themselves later. But it's not too early to be watching them.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bravesfan View Post
                It's not too early for me. We have to win these types of games early, and let the rankings take care of themselves later. But it's not too early to be watching them.

                Sure we need to win them...I guess I don't put a lot of stock in them until more games have been played......I mean if CU loses and Wisky ended up having a great year and highly ranked later on in the year it wouldn't have been a "bad" loss for CU....

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by lefty View Post
                  Sure we need to win them...I guess I don't put a lot of stock in them until more games have been played......I mean if CU loses and Wisky ended up having a great year and highly ranked later on in the year it wouldn't have been a "bad" loss for CU....
                  But it wouldn't have been a win either, and it would have gone against Creighton's top 50 record. Believe me, the selection committee, and the pundits who heavily influence what the selection committee hears will use any excuse to keep a mid-major team out of the tournament.

                  Now yes, I think Creighton has earned the respect of most of the pundits, even those like Digger Phelps who despise "too many" mid-majors taking up spots from their precious BCS friends. But even Creighton may be kept out in favor of the 10th place Big East team if it turned out those were the two last teams on the bubble. I don't think Creighton will have to worry about that, but it sure helps when they win games like they did last night. I think they will sleep a lot better now that they have that marquee win on their resume, and I'm sure they want one more tonight for a little more insurance.

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