Recruiting Question

[tornado]

been proven - easy to verify - what years do you doubt?? Four of his 9 years here he worked with asst coaches that he was told would be selected via a process other than his own choosing...the final year there were two of them brought in to replace two who were fired...where were you when that was going on - one of them was told to bring one of his players along as well and one other potential recruit to BU who would have helped tremendously and who was one of the nation's leaders in long range shooting last year went elsewhere for reasons outside the head coach's control... I think you know all this but you do your routine


...and he didn't stay...

[DoubleJayAlum]

I'm not buying the "les had to take players he didn't want and had to give up on players he wanted" line unless academics is the reason (which would be perfectly acceptable and the same situation that Drake and Creighton coaches, among dozens of others, have to work under).

To buy the other line, I would need to be told:

(1)Who is it that told Les he couldn't recruit/sign specific players?
(2) Why was Les told that?
(3) Why would Les fight so hard to keep his job if that was true?
(4) Why would anyone want the job after Les?

I can buy into the issue with assistants perhaps. I know many new coaches have to agree to keep a certain assistant from the prior regime or are required to bring in an experienced assistant (especially if it is their first head coaching gig).

But the player business really begs credibility (unless it is academics based, in which case it wouldn't be near as remote as we are led to believe)...

[DoubleJayAlum]

again -- just to be fair - there separate issues that forced JL to accept different recruits than he wanted - in other words - he wasn't totally free to choose his own players...an absolutely incredibly rare and even unheard-of fact in college basketball.

Please elaborate.

[JMM28]

It's been proven because one guy on a message board who thinks he knows more than you keeps repeating it.

The fact is that most coaches keep a member of the previous staff to help with the transitions. Some work out and stick around while others are one year deals. I'm sure that is being counted into this proven theory as well.

[tcq]

If it's easy to verify feel free to provide the verification. I would be very interested in seeing it.You are the only person I've ever seen make these claims about Jim Les not being able to have his own coaches or players. You are making a pretty strong and outlandish accusation. One that I've honestly never heard of in D1 college basketball.

If this were true why would a coach stay under such ridiculous circumstances? Why not get a different job with more freedom?

[lake Camelot]

been proven - easy to verify

The last time you stated this I asked if it was true (Especially the early years) because I had never heard it stated before. Nobody replied. I don't know if it is true or not, but it still makes no sense to me especially early after his hire.

Also.....

. I think you know all this but you do your routine

I feel this way about your replies many times also.

[real fan]

I wanted Les to be successful because it would make Bradley success ful and he would be here for a long time which in turn would mean BU would be winning championships, the Sweet 16 was one of the top all time seasons for BU basketball yet we really only had success that last 3rd of the season, Les gambled on 2 guard recruits that could not be admitted to BU because of grades which in turn put him in a position to scramble to find other recruits late in the signing period, because of that he was not able to take full advantage in recruiting after the Sweet 16 run which in my opinion led to his departure besides the administration run ins, to say he was not fully in charge of basketball operations is so far off base only a fo-l would believe this to be true.

[lefty]

You guys are wearing me out on the Les talk. He's gone and I hope he does well at Davis....Geno is here and I hope he does well at BU...

[tcq]

You guys are wearing me out on the Les talk. He's gone and I hope he does well at Davis....Geno is here and I hope he does well at BU...

Agreed. Geno is the coach now. Nothing anyone says changes anything about the past. We all wish Jim well at Davis.

Geno, like any coach taking over at a new school, should be alloted time to get his program/players in place.

That will take a couple years. It may or may not work out. However it is not yet the time to make any harsh judgements on anything. Again, let's take a close look about January of 2015 to see where things stand.

Re: this thread---let's just see who Bradley ends up signing first---and then see how they end up playing in college.

[real fan]

You guys are wearing me out on the Les talk. He's gone and I hope he does well at Davis....Geno is here and I hope he does well at BU...

I agree but it seems like some want Geno to fail because of how the Les situation was handled but Geno had nothing to do with that and in order for Bradley to win we need Geno to do well.

[78Brave]

Excuse the interuption of the jim les debate but did someone say that MAYBE livingston was better than alec peters?

[tornado]

78 - I always say maybe because no matter what you say - if you don't say maybe it enrages someone who disagrees and wants you to take it back!
...surely you have learned by now the most offensive thing to many on a message board and what sends people off the deep end is a strong opinion that they have no rebuttal for

[78Brave]

Fair enough. But I'll go out on a limb and risk offending people and say that Shaun Livingston was/is a slightly better basketball player than Alec Peters.

[tornado]

only slightly

[Braves4Life]

You guys are wearing me out on the Les talk. He's gone and I hope he does well at Davis....Geno is here and I hope he does well at BU...

Agreed lefty. I prefer to think of Jim Les in a positive light rather than as a spineles, gutles coach that was so insecure in his abilities that he stayed on under these impossible circumstances.