Where does Jordan Prosser fit statistically with BU's best?

[tornado]

I hear a difference of opinions - some saying JP does a good job & others who do not

I will let you decide but how many forwards and centers (front court players) has Bradley had in the past 2 decades - going all the way back to the beginning of the Molinari era....

..who have accumulated MORE points and rebounds than Jordan has up thru the end of his sophomore season?
Does JP fit in the top 10 ...maybe the top 20???


well...here are some answers.....

Surely Patrick O'Bryant' numbers must have put JP's numbers to shame because he was a LOTTERY pick after his sophomore year

POB had 605 points and 408 rebounds accumulated in his first two seasons at BU - so how much better is that than JP??

Well -- a little better but JP's numbers are not too far behind...

Jordan Prosser currently has 411 pts, 380 reb

But there's lots, lots more guys who have better numbers....right?? Like Adebayo Akinkunle...who was All Conference?
Well...here's Bayo's career numbers in his first 2 years..
214 pts, 139 rebs...seriously, nowhere close to what Jordan Prosser has...

Maybe Eddie Cage?? Nope he had 310 pts, 183 rebs

Cellus?? He was a pretty good scorer 484 pts, but only 227 rebounds after his sophomore year

Danny Granger?? He had more points than JP but only 308 total reb

Taylor Brown?? Nope TB had 489 points but he shot a whole lot more and had 294 rebounds - way less than JP

Feel free to check everyone else out...Deon Jackson, Zach Andrews, David Collins, etc., etc....unless I missed someone --
...but ONLY POB - in all the years since the early 90's
- only POB -an NBA LOTTERY PICK, at the end of his sophomore season, had more points AND more rebounds than Jordan Prosser at the end of his sophomore season.

It's up to you to decide if that means anything or is it good or bad....you decide I am just presenting the numbers......

[Braves4Life]

Good comparisons tornado. I like Prosser and think he is a nice college player. He's certainly not a superstar and it's unlikely he'd be a starter on a good team like Creighton or Wichita, but he's a nice player for Bradley who has been asked to do too much with too little help from a supporting cast. As a result, his weaknesses are exposed for Bradley much more than they'd be for a more talent-laden team like WSU or CU. He reminds me of Bradley's Greg Smith from the early 70's (a very underappreciated player as well) or maybe a Kerry Cook.

I think where people have a problem with your comparison is when they fail to seperate "college player" from "pro player". I would argue that people view players like Zach Andrews as having much more upside as relating to a professional career. It is unlikely (yet still unwritten) whether Prosser can have a professional career of the caliber of Zach, Boogie, Cage, Bayo, etc... I'm guessing he won't... But I still like Prosser and hope Geno gets the right pieces around him so that he can play "within himself".

[lefty]

You know we haven't really had much in the way of a dominant big man. JP has had to play the 5 spot even though I think many thought he would be more of a power forward. It will be interesting to see how he does this year. Two playing years under his belt and gobs of experience. I think the difference between some of the ones you mentioned and JP will be more on the defensive end then anything...
I wouldn't compare him to any other than Bayo and POB on that list and POB left after having two very good NCAA games.
JP has been forced to play a lot of minutes in the post in his early years because we didn't have any older good post players...
I really don't get into comparing players much because so much depends on how the rest of the team is, different coaching styles, etc....
Hopefully JP just has good solid year and has a little more meanness to him in the paint

[Old Coach]

I would expect Jordan to play 10 minutes less per game this coming season.

[tornado]

I think if JP weren't playing so much to avoid getting into foul trouble because of depth issues, he can be a better player and defender

BTW a couple more guys' career numbers at the end of their sophomore season

Donald Reese 298 pts, 226 rebounds
Mitchell JJ Anderson 1225 pts, 435 rebs
David Thirdkill 440 pts, 165 rebs
Massive Mike Williams (spent freshman & sophomore seasons at Cincy) 407 pts, 278 rebs
Luke Jackson 452, 410
Donald Powell 413 pts, 240 rebs
...remember three of these guys were NBA players! The others were really good MVC post guys
JP's frosh+soph numbers are on par with all of them except the scoring numbers for JJ ..and I would love to see him progress & get even better junior season numbers

[ColBill60]

JP's Play

If you're going to start evaluating a player's performance, you have to know what the coach expects of him as far as contributions to the team's play. If a coach wants rebounding and solid defense from the post, then don't look at the player's scoring numbers. If the coach doesn't play a "big man" offense, don't look for anything associated with ball handling or shooting, except maybe assists.

Comparing stats between players on different year teams is a poor method of evaluating their contributions. The teams and coaches are different as well as the roles played by the other team members. For those who haven't played the game at this level, looking at stats is usually where they start. Dig deeper and get into the real game.

[tornado]

just countering the argument that JP doesn't produce...when his numbers prove otherwise

[real fan]

just countering the argument that JP doesn't produce...when his numbers prove otherwise

His defense is not good and he misses way too many close in shots, he needs to play much better this season and play a lot more physical .

[AZ BU Fan]

Great analysis on JP's success so far. Hopefully JP can continue to improve and land on an ALL MVC Team for 2012-13 season!

Keep up the good analysis about BU players for 2012-13....

Helps time pass until Nov tip off!

[Braves4Life]

His defense is not good and he misses way too many close in shots, he needs to play much better this season and play a lot more physical .

All true real fan. Hopefully, he can get a little more inside help this year from guys like Egolf, Shayok, Wells, and Pickett so that he is not the focal point down low of 2 or 3 of the other team's big defenders. Sure, he missed a lot of wide open bunnies but I'm hopeful that was more a function of lost confidence and anticipating collapsing pressure. Regarding his defense and physicality... No doubt he has a lot of room for improvement. I trust that another year of being schooled by Coach Graham can rectify this.

[Old Coach]

Great analysis on JP's success so far. Hopefully JP can continue to improve and land on an ALL MVC Team for 2012-13 season!

That would be shocking since Jordan will likely play less than 20 minutes per game and probably won't be a starter.

[Buesch N Chips]

JP needs to expand his repertoire. His success the next two years will come down to if he can become less predictable, in my opinion.

[lefty]

We need not compare JP to our previous post players...but more to the one's he will be playing against this year....how he does against them is what matters.

[SFP]

You know we haven't really had much in the way of a dominant big man. JP has had to play the 5 spot even though I think many thought he would be more of a power forward. It will be interesting to see how he does this year. Two playing years under his belt and gobs of experience. I think the difference between some of the ones you mentioned and JP will be more on the defensive end then anything...
I wouldn't compare him to any other than Bayo and POB on that list and POB left after having two very good NCAA games.
JP has been forced to play a lot of minutes in the post in his early years because we didn't have any older good post players...
I really don't get into comparing players much because so much depends on how the rest of the team is, different coaching styles, etc....
Hopefully JP just has good solid year and has a little more meanness to him in the paint

Pretty much how I feel!

I would expect Jordan to play 10 minutes less per game this coming season.

I have no idea how much time JP is putting in the weight room and gym this summer. If he is dedicating his summer to the game I would expect to see his minutes perhaps go down a bit due to the depth but not by much and I expect to see much better efficiency. Who is going to take those minutes? A red-shirt freshman or a guy with two major knee surgeries the past two years?

[Missouri Brave]

I think if JP weren't playing so much to avoid getting into foul trouble because of depth issues, he can be a better player and defender

BTW a couple more guys' career numbers at the end of their sophomore season

Donald Reese 298 pts, 226 rebounds
Mitchell JJ Anderson 1225 pts, 435 rebs
David Thirdkill 440 pts, 165 rebs
Massive Mike Williams (spent freshman & sophomore seasons at Cincy) 407 pts, 278 rebs
Luke Jackson 452, 410
Donald Powell 413 pts, 240 rebs
...remember three of these guys were NBA players! The others were really good MVC post guys
JP's frosh+soph numbers are on par with all of them except the scoring numbers for JJ ..and I would love to see him progress & get even better junior season numbers

This comparison isn't fair to Thirdkill and Reese - neither of them were at BU for their freshmen years. They both transferred in from jucos after one year.

Also, no offense to Jordan, but he doesn't belong in the same sentence as any of the guys mentioned above.