NCAA hands down severe penalties

[tornado]

yup - they found a D-I head coach (from Radford) that allowed a kid who was ineligible to ....hold on now....
travel with the team on road trips!!!

And - he wasn't completely honest when the NCAA investigators raked him over the coals...

So the guy (Brad Greenberg) has been booted from coaching for FIVE YEARS -
(five-year show cause penalty - he can't work for any NCAA institution!)

and the school also gets penalties - some pretty harsh....vacated wins, scholarship reductions, recruiting penalties, probation...given they gained absolutely NO advantage of any kind by having the kid travel with the team - in fact they only won five freaking games that season!

This may well be perhaps the most severe penalty given to anyone, anywhere by NCAA in 25 years!

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/34978130

[AZ BU Fan]

The NCAA's hypocrisy knows no limits.....

Right, 'The' Ohio State fans?

[TheAsianSensation]

To be fair, the harshest parts of the penalty is because of the lying, not the actual bad deed with the ineligible player. The coach lied, and tried to get everyone else to lie along with him. The NCAA will be merciless if you lie to them, no matter what you're lying about.

But of course, why slap the guy with a 5-yr when someone like Pearl got a 3-yr?

[tornado]

Disclaimer - offering opinion here - be prepared if you disagree....
I would estimate that roughly 99% or more of the coaches that get investigated by NCAA either lie or hide the truth..
it's kinda like when the IRS audits you -- it is close to 100% certain they WILL find something you cannot show a receipt for -- it'll all boil down to how badly they have already made up their mind that they want to nail you.

We saw precisely that in the 80's and in 2005.

[TheAsianSensation]

Disclaimer - offering opinion here - be prepared if you disagree....
I would estimate that roughly 99% or more of the coaches that get investigated by NCAA either lie or hide the truth..
it's kinda like when the IRS audits you -- it is close to 100% certain they WILL find something you cannot show a receipt for -- it'll all boil down to how badly they have already made up their mind that they want to nail you.

We saw precisely that in the 80's and in 2005.

Well no one is going to be able to provide any real evidence on either side of this opinion, I can imagine. And I think there is a difference between "finding something you cannot show a receipt for" and "intentionally hiding the receipt". And I don't think many intentionally hide the receipt, so to speak.

[tornado]

my point exactly -- they will almost always have enough to nail you - it'll just depend on whether they want to

[BuB]

To be fair, the harshest parts of the penalty is because of the lying, not the actual bad deed with the ineligible player. The coach lied, and tried to get everyone else to lie along with him. The NCAA will be merciless if you lie to them, no matter what you're lying about.

But of course, why slap the guy with a 5-yr when someone like Pearl got a 3-yr?

Correct. Its to bad that Cam Newton and his dad got away with it.

[TheAsianSensation]

my point exactly -- they will almost always have enough to nail you - it'll just depend on whether they want to

True, although it seems like they do like to enable rage mode if they're lied to and the school is small enough

[tornado]

btw - there's still the claim from some that the reason BU was hammered in the 1980's was because Dick Versace lied to the investigators
but...of course that is wrong -- no where is either the claim nor the evidence that he lied...what the NCAA investigators did was trump up charges that he "failed to cooperate" with them -
which in their minds he didn't admit guilt as they thought he should -- instead he declined to admit to anything he didn't want to admit to - so they charged that he failed to deal openly with them.