9 MVC games today- Sat. 2/18

[Fetz86]

In real time it looked like a bad call on the over and back, but on the replay I think both feet were over the half court line.

[Da Coach]

Final-
Long Beach State 79
Creighton 81

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320490156

[Da Coach]

In real time it looked like a bad call on the over and back, but on the replay I think both feet were over the half court line.

Both feet AND the ball must be fully into the front court. Here are a couple quick screen shot clips of the play. He did appear to have both feet across, but the ball was never in the front court. It shouldn't have been called a violation, IMO.-

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k150/bradleyfans/?action=view&current=MOV02773.mp4

slo-mo-

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k150/bradleyfans/?action=view&current=MOV02774.mp4

Any officials here care to comment?

[Fetz86]

I was thinking that when both feet were over the line then he couldn't go back, but everything I've seen says you are right, that the ball has to come with him. I think you're right then, it should not have been called. CU pulled it out anyway, basketball karma was on their side.

[Bravesfan]

Great ending in the Creighton-Long Beach State game. Creighton was just called for a "phantom" over-and-back call with less than a minute left. The Creighton guard, Austin Chatman stepped one foot over the midline, then stepped back. The other foot, and the ball never crossed into the front court which is required before an over-and-back can be called. Nevertheless, an overzealous official blew his whistle and ruled a critical turnover.

But Creighton overcame the bad call, and just appeared to win 81-79 on a last second shot by Antoine Young. McDermott finished with something like 36 points.

Now officials have ruled there is time left, and 0.3 seconds were put back on the clock. However, students had stormed the floor and teams had gone to the locker rooms. It will take time to clear the floor and mop up ice and water spilled on the floor.

It looked like there was 0.1 seconds left, not worth telling everyone to go back to their seats. But maybe that was the officials' way of discouraging students to storm the floor as they did not do it the second time!

But yes, this was far and away the best Bracketbuster game of the weekend, and a great win for Creighton and a badly needed win for the Valley.

[Da Coach]

Unfortunately, the MVC went only 4-6 in the BracketBusters. That will not be enough to boost the conference any higher in RPI rankings. And no team gets any real benefit, as CU and WSU were already in the tournament, and the 2 bubble/NIT schools MSU and UNI got beaten.

[tornado]

Both feet AND the ball must be fully into the front court. Here are a couple quick screen shot clips of the play. He did appear to have both feet across, but the ball was never in the front court. It shouldn't have been called a violation, IMO.-

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k150/bradleyfans/?action=view&current=MOV02773.mp4

slo-mo-

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k150/bradleyfans/?action=view&current=MOV02774.mp4

Any officials here care to comment?

clearly agree - overzealous ref just wanting to blow his whistle on something...
the intent of the rule is anti-stalling - to prevent a guy once advanced into the frontfourt from running back and "hiding"...
and yet refs seems so anxious to call it on non-existent and borderline plays like this...
the rule should be used as INTENDED - only when a guy clearly violates it to gain an advantage.

[Da Coach]

IMO, since the shot clock is now a part of the game, the 10-second rule is unnecessary. The women's game does not even have such a rule, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.

[shaunguth]

IMO, since the shot clock is now a part of the game, the 10-second rule is unnecessary. The women's game does not even have such a rule, and it doesn't seem to be a problem.

I happen to like the 10-second rule if only because it sometimes makes thinks interesting in tight game situations when a team is really pressing the issue on defense. I think it's the reward for playing that type of defense, compared to the risk which would be an easy basket when breaking the press.