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    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results (Albert Einstein). Pretty much sums up this season.

    We keep playing the blame game; that is getting us nowhere but more losses. Let's stop the insanity.

    We are frustrated the by style of play in relation to the natural attributes of our players. I think of the cliche that you can't fit a round peg into a square hole...but that is just a myth. http://www.organic-development.com/myblog/you-can-fit-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole.html To paraphrase about how you do it: 1. You can solve any problem with a CAN-do approach 2. Think differently ... if you think a little differently, you can ALWAYS find a RANGE of solutions. 3. Keep trying! Unfortunately it??™s not possible to find the right solution first time, every time. Sometimes your first idea doesn??™t quite fit. Failures are inevitable bumps on the road to success. Don??™t stop just because the journey is longer than you expected! 4. No such thing as "can't".
    I fully support GF, but ultimately I believe the responsibilty rests with him. He is the captain of the ship who is getting paid good $$ to steer it in the right direction. I would hope that before he took this job he scouted the players, watched film, etc. and assessed each player's strengths and weaknesses and how it would fit into his style of play ... OR HOW HE MIGHT HAVE TO ADAPT HIS STYLE UNTIL HE RECRUITED HIS OWN ATHLETES. FIGURE IT OUT and QUICKLY.

    Fans...quit beating up our players...if this was a business, the players would have been hired by a boss (JL) based on their specific skill set and how they would fit together as a team to get positive results. Their boss (JL) is fired, their peer leader and mentor (SM) who could have possibly run interference with the new management team transfers, a new boss (GF) is hired with a totally different game plan (other than winning games, of course!); and it doesn't match the skill set for which the employee's (players) were originally hired to do and no matter how hard you try, you keep getting the same results. By this time, you no longer go to work with a spring in your step...you want to stop the bleeding, the frustration, and embarrassment. Yes, they are on scholarship. Yes their education is part of their package as a DI athlete. But the captain of the ship, GF, is the leader making the $$$$$$$$ that needs to get the ship steered in the right direction with the employees (players) that he inherited. As fans, when we don't like the boss or the environment, we can choose to move on at any time. If the players want to play basketball AND retain their scholarship; they can't just walk away. On the other hand, in the business world if a manager is making the amount of $$$$ GF is, they would certainly be held accountable and wouldn't be given 3 years to get the job done.

    Just curious how many of 25+ years will be broken this season:
    1)Tonights game: (Reynolds)Evansville??™s 31 assists set an all-time record for a visiting team to BU. Their 41 baskets were the most by a BU opponent since fourth-ranked UNLV had 47 exactly 35 years ago in a 107-106 win at Robertson Field House. The defeat saddles Bradley with three losses of 30 points or worse this season, a first in program history. It??™s also the fourth time this season the Braves have yielded 90 or more points, the most since Stan Albeck??™s last team in 1990-91 did it five times.
    2)Dec. 28 @ home vs. Wichita - the worst home loss in the Braves??™ 108-year history and the most lopsided beating in the school??™s 60-year MVC membership.
    3) On a positive note - Dave Snell 1,000th play-by-play broadcast. THANKS DAVE!
    4) Keep adding them up...not pretty.

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    Insanity is signing a coach to a pay scale that is among the highest in the MVC, who at his previous school won 61% of his games against sub 150 RPI teams!
    Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

    ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Beninator View Post
      Insanity is signing a coach to a pay scale that is among the highest in the MVC, who at his previous school won 61% of his games against sub 150 RPI teams!
      It's not so hard to do this when you are spending other people's money. But insanity is when you expect the same donors and sponsors to keep giving.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Beninator View Post
        Insanity is signing a coach to a pay scale that is among the highest in the MVC, who at his previous school won 61% of his games against sub 150 RPI teams!
        AND never coached in an NCAA Tournament game! Admin panicked when 6-8 good coaches said "No Thank You" and they needed a coach. GF had them by the undies and they paid the price for him to move (not over) up a few conferences. Have you ever seen a deer in headlights? Over a 2-3 year period, I would love to know how much money this will cost Bradley (We will never know because JG will attempt to keep it positive).
        It's not Business, It's Personal

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        • #5
          didn't we just see an example of a shipwreck where a captain tried to fully deny any responsibility for the results - and how foolish this looks??


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          • #6
            Great post Tornado. The captains have to be Cross and Glasser.

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            • #7
              no - I am thinking more the captains are the "fans" and the media" who demanded all this which we now have...
              ironically - one even calls himself "Captain"...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Reality View Post
                Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results (Albert Einstein). Pretty much sums up this season.

                We keep playing the blame game; that is getting us nowhere but more losses. Let's stop the insanity.

                We are frustrated the by style of play in relation to the natural attributes of our players. I think of the cliche that you can't fit a round peg into a square hole...but that is just a myth. http://www.organic-development.com/myblog/you-can-fit-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole.html To paraphrase about how you do it: 1. You can solve any problem with a CAN-do approach 2. Think differently ... if you think a little differently, you can ALWAYS find a RANGE of solutions. 3. Keep trying! Unfortunately it??™s not possible to find the right solution first time, every time. Sometimes your first idea doesn??™t quite fit. Failures are inevitable bumps on the road to success. Don??™t stop just because the journey is longer than you expected! 4. No such thing as "can't".
                I fully support GF, but ultimately I believe the responsibilty rests with him. He is the captain of the ship who is getting paid good $$ to steer it in the right direction. I would hope that before he took this job he scouted the players, watched film, etc. and assessed each player's strengths and weaknesses and how it would fit into his style of play ... OR HOW HE MIGHT HAVE TO ADAPT HIS STYLE UNTIL HE RECRUITED HIS OWN ATHLETES. FIGURE IT OUT and QUICKLY.

                Fans...quit beating up our players...if this was a business, the players would have been hired by a boss (JL) based on their specific skill set and how they would fit together as a team to get positive results. Their boss (JL) is fired, their peer leader and mentor (SM) who could have possibly run interference with the new management team transfers, a new boss (GF) is hired with a totally different game plan (other than winning games, of course!); and it doesn't match the skill set for which the employee's (players) were originally hired to do and no matter how hard you try, you keep getting the same results. By this time, you no longer go to work with a spring in your step...you want to stop the bleeding, the frustration, and embarrassment. Yes, they are on scholarship. Yes their education is part of their package as a DI athlete. But the captain of the ship, GF, is the leader making the $$$$$$$$ that needs to get the ship steered in the right direction with the employees (players) that he inherited. As fans, when we don't like the boss or the environment, we can choose to move on at any time. If the players want to play basketball AND retain their scholarship; they can't just walk away. On the other hand, in the business world if a manager is making the amount of $$$$ GF is, they would certainly be held accountable and wouldn't be given 3 years to get the job done.

                Just curious how many of 25+ years will be broken this season:
                1)Tonights game: (Reynolds)Evansville??™s 31 assists set an all-time record for a visiting team to BU. Their 41 baskets were the most by a BU opponent since fourth-ranked UNLV had 47 exactly 35 years ago in a 107-106 win at Robertson Field House. The defeat saddles Bradley with three losses of 30 points or worse this season, a first in program history. It??™s also the fourth time this season the Braves have yielded 90 or more points, the most since Stan Albeck??™s last team in 1990-91 did it five times.
                2)Dec. 28 @ home vs. Wichita - the worst home loss in the Braves??™ 108-year history and the most lopsided beating in the school??™s 60-year MVC membership.
                3) On a positive note - Dave Snell 1,000th play-by-play broadcast. THANKS DAVE!
                4) Keep adding them up...not pretty.
                Welcome to the boards Reality!

                It sounds like you are saying that GF will eventually get his guys in here and hopefully will thrive under his system. But if I'm interpreting your post correctly, I think you are also saying that a coach making the money Geno is should be able to adjust to the strengths of the players he inherited until he gets his players in here. Is that correct? If so, I totally agree as good coaches can adjust to the style of players they recruit.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tornado View Post
                  didn't we just see an example of a shipwreck where a captain tried to fully deny any responsibility for the results - and how foolish this looks??


                  Very good post tornado!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bravesfan View Post
                    Welcome to the boards Reality!

                    It sounds like you are saying that GF will eventually get his guys in here and hopefully will thrive under his system. But if I'm interpreting your post correctly, I think you are also saying that a coach making the money Geno is should be able to adjust to the strengths of the players he inherited until he gets his players in here. Is that correct? If so, I totally agree as good coaches can adjust to the style of players they recruit.
                    You interpreted my post 100% correctly that GF should be able to adjust to the strengths of the players he inherited until he gets his own recruits here...perhaps if that was done from the get go, we would not be where we are at now. You can't beat a dead horse...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tornado View Post
                      didn't we just see an example of a shipwreck where a captain tried to fully deny any responsibility for the results - and how foolish this looks??


                      comparing a shipwreck where people died and and a basketball program?

                      I haven't seen anyone deny rsponsibiliy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Reality View Post
                        You interpreted my post 100% correctly that GF should be able to adjust to the strengths of the players he inherited until he gets his own recruits here...perhaps if that was done from the get go, we would not be where we are at now. You can't beat a dead horse...

                        I understand that too....but what if Geno is installing a system that really won't be complete until he gets his own players....if you wait then it makes the players you have a year or two behind....

                        So maybe he's delaying a little better season this year to a better seasons ahead as new players are added and current ones are more experienced with it....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lefty View Post
                          I understand that too....but what if Geno is installing a system that really won't be complete until he gets his own players....if you wait then it makes the players you have a year or two behind....

                          So maybe he's delaying a little better season this year to a better seasons ahead as new players are added and current ones are more experienced with it....
                          Can Geno's system really be that complex? These are division 1 college guys. Give them the playbook with their assigned roles over the summer if necessary. IMHO the coach needs to adapt his style of play to the players on the roster.
                          Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                          ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Beninator View Post
                            Can Geno's system really be that complex? These are division 1 college guys. Give them the playbook with their assigned roles over the summer if necessary. IMHO the coach needs to adapt his style of play to the players on the roster.

                            honestly I have no idea....but I will ask a guy who does the next time I see him who is very close to the team....

                            Another thought is maybe Geno underestimated our ability....I'm guessing he thought things would go better at the beginning of the season...if that's the case should he try to switch the system mid-season?

                            Maybe oif he had to start the season over he would have done it differently....another question I will ask.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lefty View Post
                              honestly I have no idea....but I will ask a guy who does the next time I see him who is very close to the team....

                              Another thought is maybe Geno underestimated our ability....I'm guessing he thought things would go better at the beginning of the season...if that's the case should he try to switch the system mid-season?

                              Maybe oif he had to start the season over he would have done it differently....another question I will ask.

                              I really think that Geno should use the rest of the season to experiment with different lineups etc. IMO, he shouldn't do that against ISU, but certainly against the other teams on the schedule.
                              Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                              ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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