Jays flyin' higher

[LittleBrave]

Now ranked #14/15 in the polls.

I've got them pegged for 1 more loss in Valley play.
What do you think?
If they end up 26-3 and run the table in the Valley tourney, which would put them at 29-3, are they headed for a #3 seed?

If so, when't the last time a Valley team has been seeded that well?
SIU was a #4 in 2007 I remember.

[tornado]

I hope they can find a good matchup for Creighton on BracketBusters, because with all the other Valley teams playing mediocre - their RPI's are all trending down...
with one more loss UNI's RPI will fall over 50 and so Creighton has really only their BB and the one mare game against Wichita to fatten their resume...

In the meantime - one or two stumbles like maybe a loss at Evansville, SIU, or Indiana State..could drop them out of the national rankings and drop them to a 7-8 seed...

[Bravesfan]

I hope they can find a good matchup for Creighton on BracketBusters, because with all the other Valley teams playing mediocre - their RPI's are all trending down...
with one more loss UNI's RPI will fall over 50 and so Creighton has really only their BB and the one mare game against Wichita to fatten their resume...

In the meantime - one or two stumbles like maybe a loss at Evansville, SIU, or Indiana State..could drop them out of the national rankings and drop them to a 7-8 seed...

Hey, what about if they lose to Bradley?

Regarding their RPI, I don't see it falling to 50 with one more loss. There is currently only one Valley team with a sub 200 RPI, and that's SIU's at 233. We could become the second team that drops below 200 as we are at 193 right now. But with most Valley teams ranked in the top half of Division I, I don't expect Creighton's RPI to drop a lot from their current 19 ranking. Two or three bad losses could make things more dicey, but the Valley's OOC RPI will save Creighton despite everyone but CU, WSU and Bradley beating each other up.

[Beninator]

Something tells me that Wichita State will go further than Creighton in the NCAA's.

[Bravesfan]

Something tells me that Wichita State will go further than Creighton in the NCAA's.

I think so too. I think Creighton has a very balanced, veteran team that makes few mistakes. But they don't dominate a lot of games and are suseptable to a suspect loss here or there. Wichta State on the other hand can dominate bad teams home and away, and are so deep that their second team can probably amass a winning record against the rest of the Valley!

How they are still not ranked is beyond me, though they are now #28 and #29 in the polls this week. I guess they will have to win at Creighton before they crack the top 25, unless a lot of upsets occur within the bottom half of the rankings this week.

[BUFanatic]

Something tells me that Wichita State will go further than Creighton in the NCAA's.

What they did in the NIT last year was incredible. Complete dominance. I loved it, showed that too often Mid Majors get overlooked. Rolled over the Tide in the championship game, and a lot of BCS teams on the way. The kind of ball that Wichita and Creighton are playing right now is just ridiculous, proud to have them in the Valley! It's an injustice that the AP can't put two mid majors from the same conference into the Top 25.... IF Wichita cracks the top 25, when was the last time that we (the Valley) has had more than one team in the Top 25?

[Bravesfan]

What they did in the NIT last year was incredible. Complete dominance. I loved it, showed that too often Mid Majors get overlooked. Rolled over the Tide in the championship game, and a lot of BCS teams on the way. The kind of ball that Wichita and Creighton are playing right now is just ridiculous, proud to have them in the Valley! It's an injustice that the AP can't put two mid majors from the same conference into the Top 25.... IF Wichita cracks the top 25, when was the last time that we (the Valley) has had more than one team in the Top 25?

I want to say during the Creighton/SIU dominance of the Valley in the early 2000's, there may have been one week where Creighton was ranked in one poll and SIU was ranked in the other poll. But it seems like we always hear the same stock excuse from the voters that when one team from a mid-major conference is ranked, there is "no room" to vote for a second one, which is true rubbish, despite the WCC Gonzaga and St. Mary's being ranked the same week earlier this year if I recall correctly.

I think that may change within the next week or two if CU and WSU continue to take care of business. The best chance for two ranked teams at the same time will come if WSU beats CU at their place in a couple of weeks. CU should be ranked high enough that they won't fall completely out of the top 25. Then they will definitely both be ranked, especially considering that WSU beat a great UNLV team just off a win over then #1 North Carolina earlier in the season.

[LittleBrave]

The best chance for two ranked teams at the same time will come if WSU beats CU at their place in a couple of weeks. CU should be ranked high enough that they won't fall completely out of the top 25. Then they will definitely both be ranked, especially considering that WSU beat a great UNLV team just off a win over then #1 North Carolina earlier in the season.

Good call! (a few weeks back)

Now that we have 2 Valley teams ranked, the Valley tourney will go a long way in the seeding for the NCAA tourney.

There is a good possibility that Wichita St. could grab a 3 seed if they win Arch Madness. A loss in the title game would likely put them at 4 or 5 (depending on who they play and margin of loss). I really don't see them NOT reaching the title game unless they just have a bad game.

If Creighton wins Arch Madness over Wichita, they could be as high as a 4 seed, but they would at least secure a 5 seed no matter who they beat in the title game.
Everything else is up in the air for the Jays.
But with a 1st-round win, they should get a 7 seed or better I would think.

It would be interesting to see Wichita and Creighton with a 5-seed or better, setting up the possibility of 2 Valley teams reaching the Sweet 16, like in 2005-'06. (o.k. - I'm getting way ahead of myself here! Arch Madness is almost here!)

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

Good call! (a few weeks back)

Now that we have 2 Valley teams ranked, the Valley tourney will go a long way in the seeding for the NCAA tourney.

There is a good possibility that Wichita St. could grab a 3 seed if they win Arch Madness. A loss in the title game would likely put them at 4 or 5 (depending on who they play and margin of loss). I really don't see them NOT reaching the title game unless they just have a bad game.

If Creighton wins Arch Madness over Wichita, they could be as high as a 4 seed, but they would at least secure a 5 seed no matter who they beat in the title game.
Everything else is up in the air for the Jays.
But with a 1st-round win, they should get a 7 seed or better I would think.

It would be interesting to see Wichita and Creighton with a 5-seed or better, setting up the possibility of 2 Valley teams reaching the Sweet 16, like in 2005-'06. (o.k. - I'm getting way ahead of myself here! Arch Madness is almost here!)

WSU is a 5 and Creighton is a 6 on ESPN's bracketology. That's probably where they will end up unless they get a lot of help. I'd love for them to be higher but don't see it happening.

[Bravesfan]

Good call! (a few weeks back)

Now that we have 2 Valley teams ranked, the Valley tourney will go a long way in the seeding for the NCAA tourney.

There is a good possibility that Wichita St. could grab a 3 seed if they win Arch Madness. A loss in the title game would likely put them at 4 or 5 (depending on who they play and margin of loss). I really don't see them NOT reaching the title game unless they just have a bad game.

If Creighton wins Arch Madness over Wichita, they could be as high as a 4 seed, but they would at least secure a 5 seed no matter who they beat in the title game.
Everything else is up in the air for the Jays.
But with a 1st-round win, they should get a 7 seed or better I would think.

It would be interesting to see Wichita and Creighton with a 5-seed or better, setting up the possibility of 2 Valley teams reaching the Sweet 16, like in 2005-'06. (o.k. - I'm getting way ahead of myself here! Arch Madness is almost here!)

Yeah, it took awhile, but the Valley has two ranked teams at the same time (excluding the postseason 2006 poll) for the first time since late 1981 when Wichita St. and Tulsa both were ranked in the top 15 (Wichita St. as high as #2!) before the Shockers fell back a bit and had to settle for the NIT (still only 32 teams in the Big Dance back then). So nice to see the Valley getting back to were they were back about 6 years ago, even with so many 9-9 teams. Creighton can thank New Mexico and Virginia for tripping up this past week.

[SFP]

WSU deserves a #4 or better but will most probably end up a #6 seed unless they run the table from here on out. CU on the other hand have some bad losses that will probably put them in the 8-9 game (if they make the MVC final), unless they run the table in which case they may get a 7 seed. I'd be shocked though. You have these 14 teams right now which will be seeded ahead of WSU and Murray State regardless and then throw in Indiana and ND, which the committee is more likely to do. I'd say both Murray State and WSU are on the #4 seed bubble and one loss from here on out is all it would be needed to place them out. These other schools can stay in if they lose a game and some two. If a Louisville or VA wins their conference tournament all bets are off.

Kansas
Missouri
Ohio
MSU
Duke
NC
KY
Michigan
Marquette
Baylor
GT
Wisky
Syracuse

[Bravesfan]

WSU deserves a #4 or better but will most probably end up a #6 seed unless they run the table from here on out. CU on the other hand have some bad losses that will probably put them in the 8-9 game (if they make the MVC final), unless they run the table in which case they may get a 7 seed. I'd be shocked though. You have these 14 teams right now which will be seeded ahead of WSU and Murray State regardless and then throw in Indiana and ND, which the committee is more likely to do. I'd say both Murray State and WSU are on the #4 seed bubble and one loss from here on out is all it would be needed to place them out. These other schools can stay in if they lose a game and some two. If a Louisville or VA wins their conference tournament all bets are off.

Kansas
Missouri
Ohio
MSU
Duke
NC
KY
Michigan
Marquette
Baylor
GT
Wisky
Syracuse

That seems about right. The BCS leaning selection committee will think of every excuse in the book to keep WSU, CU and Murray St. out of the 4 or 5 seed line.

[LittleBrave]

WSU is a 5 and Creighton is a 6 on ESPN's bracketology. That's probably where they will end up unless they get a lot of help. I'd love for them to be higher but don't see it happening.

I don't see how they could be denied a #4 seed if they win Arch Madness.
If they win it, they would not have lost a game 2+ months in a solid conference. If you look at their non-conf. wins, they have some real quality wins vs. RPI Top 100 teams away from home (vs. Colorado, @ Tulsa, @ Davidson)

It may be a long shot, but let's say the Shockers win all 3 games by double-digits. That would make 9 straight victories by double-digits (all vs. Top 150 RPI teams)
And they would likely have to go through Creighton, and 2 wins vs. a Top 25 team with 27 wins would make a statement.

Likewise, if Creighton defeats WSU in the title game, they SHOULD get a #5 seed, as they would beat a top 20 team, Wichita, 2 times to go along with a pretty strong resume and a current #24 ranking.

[SFP]

LittleBrave you are using way to much logic in your post. This is a committee of mostly BCS members. Throw away what would be considered a logical approach to seeding.

[bujeff23]

LittleBrave you are using way to much logic in your post. This is a committee of mostly BCS members. Throw away what would be considered a logical approach to seeding.

as much as I would love to see WSU get a 4 (which I think they are very deserving of if they win arch madness) and Creighton get a 6, I remember 2010 when Northern Iowa was one of the most dominant Valley teams in recent memory.

They won reg season and the conference tourney and I thought they might get a 6 seed. they ended up with a 9 (which of course worked out) but still the Valley never seems to get seeded with how they deserve to be.