This year vs. last year

[rsmit84]

Since others have brought it up, I have decided to compare the two teams. Some say that this team should be better and everybody knows it. I just dont see how. This is not a knock on the players. In fact I think we should have been better last year AND this year but to say we should be better this year I just dont see.

Last years team:


Player GP GS MPG PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG
#24
Andrew Warren 32 32 36.7 18.8 41.4 5.5 1.8 1.7 0.3
#1
Dodie Dunson 31 31 33.3 10.5 44.2 3.9 2.5 1.1 0.1
#32
D.S-Edwards 30 27 30.0 10.5 43.4 3.3 3.5 0.9 0.3
#54
Will Egolf 32 31 23.7 8.0 43.6 4.1 0.6 0.7 0.6
#44
Jordan Prosser 31 24 22.2 5.3 53.6 5.5 0.2 0.4 0.1
#4
Jake Eastman 29 2 21.6 3.3 38.1 3.3 1.6 0.3 0.1
#25
Walt Lemon Jr. 31 5 20.0 6.4 41.9 2.4 0.9 0.9 0.4
#41
Anthony Thompson26 1 9.3 1.1 35.3 1.8 0.0 0.0 0.7
#5
Sam Maniscalco 6 6 32.2 9.7 32.7 3.0 4.3 1.2 0.0
#34
Milos Knezevic 25 0 6.0 1.4 34.2 1.0 0.2 0.2 0.0
#0
Charonn Woods 12 0 3.2 0.2 33.3 0.3 0.0 0.2 0.0
#10
Aaron Ganson 2 0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0



This year:


Player GP GS MPG PPG FG% RPG APG SPG BPG
#1
D.S-Edwards 21 20 33.0 11.8 37.6 3.8 3.2 1.5 0.2
#3
Taylor Brown 21 21 32.3 16.5 45.1 7.1 1.7 1.0 0.4
#25
Walt Lemon Jr. 21 21 31.0 12.1 49.7 3.0 2.7 1.3 0.6
#44
Jordan Prosser 21 21 28.2 8.6 46.6 7.4 0.5 0.4 0.1
#4
Jake Eastman 21 1 25.6 5.9 37.4 3.4 1.8 0.9 0.4
#23
Shayok M. Shayok 21 21 19.5 4.0 37.6 3.5 0.8 0.4 0.3
#41
Anthony Thompson21 0 12.3 2.9 55.8 1.8 0.1 0.2 1.1
#5
Jalen Crawford 19 0 8.8 1.2 25.6 0.8 0.3 0.2 0.0
#0
Charonn Woods 17 0 6.2 0.8 25.0 0.4 0.2 0.3 0.0
#14
Milos Knezevic 12 0 4.2 1.2 35.7 0.7 0.0 0.2 0.0
#32
Donivine Stewart 9 0 5.0 0.4 28.6 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.0
#34
Devon Hodges 5 0 2.8 0.0 0.0 0.4 0.2 0.0 0.2

[Da Coach]

I don't see what that proves?
Andrew Warren was a very good player, but he would not have averaged anywhere close to 18.8 ppg last year if Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco were playing.

[rsmit84]

Sorry, the stats are kind of hard to read. Anyway, we lost our two top scorers. We did get TB back. I find that an even swap with AW. I dont think we can fairly give an edge to either one. Then we lose Dodie and Will. The only meaningful addition so far besides TB is Shayok. Not to say that Crawford or the other recruits wont be meaningful in the future, it just hasnt happened yet.

[rsmit84]

I don't see what that proves?
Andrew Warren was a very good player, but he would not have averaged anywhere close to 18.8 ppg last year if Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco were playing.

Another poster said we should be way better than last year. I am saying I dont see it. I posted stats since that is a measuring tool of what we have/had.

As for Andrew, you could say Taylor wouldnt be averaging as many points/rebounds if Will were playing. We have what we have. I am trying to defend what we have now.

[Da Coach]

OK, even if we concede all your points, last year's team took time to adjust to playing without 2 starters, and after the 11 game losing streak, they won 6 of their next 9 to finish with 12 wins. Are you expecting this team to do that? Let's revisit this topic after the year is over and see if we saw that same improvement we saw last year.

[rsmit84]

6 out of 9, no I dont see that happening. 3 to 4, yes. If we had Will maybe that puts us at 5. If Shayok can play as a freshman like Dodie did as a senior maybe that adds to your 6.

[AE Braves Fan]

I like how you ignored the extra year of experience for every other player.

[Beninator]

I am trying to forget about last year. Can we at least concentrate on the program for this year and beyond.

[tornado]

I like how you ignored the extra year of experience for every other player.

I think we're unable to judge until we know who will be here next year

[Da Coach]

I like how you ignored the extra year of experience for every other player.

Isn't that why teams are supposed to get better?

[Bradleyfan1]

I don't see what that proves?
Andrew Warren was a very good player, but he would not have averaged anywhere close to 18.8 ppg last year if Taylor Brown and Sam Maniscalco were playing.

This is true, he gets 30 a game ok not 30 but defenses were geared to stop him last yr, his numbers wouldve been better! If they could be, I mean he had a really good year! Far as DD, he was a heck of a defender and somone who made everyone better, to compare him to ss is unfair true freshman vs juco tran in his sr yr.


I think there is still plenty of time, this season is not lost, I look for dse to have a nice bounce back into form game against SIU also Pross has put togeather back to back great games so things are looking up! We will be better this yr than last but I'm not saying we SHOULD be just that we WILL be!


lets not panic, lets not force Geno to fire anyone, lets let him do his job, I think he is doing his job and this is coming from a Les guy! To me Les will always be more, but Geno is our coach and a good one!

[rsmit84]

I like how you ignored the extra year of experience for every other player.

I didnt ignore anything and if I did, I did it for both seasons. The guys on last years team all had a years added experience from the year before. Plus, their experience was in a different system.

[lefty]

I am trying to forget about last year. Can we at least concentrate on the program for this year and beyond.

There you go....good post Ben