SIU 74 Bradley 65 post game thread

[TheAsianSensation]

(snicker)...sure I suppose one could say that - except for the facts...
but everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just see the facts as saying this...

remember - many people thought enough of DSE & TB to list them as preseason all-conference players...
plus four of the players who were sure to be returning were starters (TB, DSE, JP, WL)..and even Jake had plenty of experience and had started some games...

It's not necessarily about that....what I meant was some of those coaches you listed inherited situations where his predecessor was hired away by a bigger school, instead of taking over for a fired coach. I'd be more interested in seeing comparisons with coaches who took over in those situations.

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

It's not necessarily about that....what I meant was some of those coaches you listed inherited situations where his predecessor was hired away by a bigger school, instead of taking over for a fired coach. I'd be more interested in seeing comparisons with coaches who took over in those situations.

Or took over a last place team after the previous coach got fired.

[SFP]

I really hate the way some of the fans paint this as black or white. There is plenty of grey areas when discussing BU basketball. Sometimes I feel like this site's posters are either left wing liberals or ultra conservative evangelist, neither group I have much in common with.

[tornado]

Or took over a last place team after the previous coach got fired.

close to half the names on that list took over a faltering program whose prior coach got fired..
(Les, Altman, Mac, Merf, Marty, Porter, Jank, McKenna, Cuonzo, Turg)

[TheAsianSensation]

So, condensing t's list down to the coaches he listed:

Geno - 5-10
Jim Les - 5-10
Dana Altman - 6-9
Greg McDermott 10-5
Steve Merfeld - 6-9
Marty Simmons - 5-10
Porter Moser - 5-10
Tim Jankovich - 12-3
Kevin McKenna - 9-6
Cuonzo Martin - 7-8
Mark Turgeon - 7-8

I want to compare the job Geno has done to the jobs of the other coaches, factoring in the previous year as well in order to gauge what each coach had to work with.

Les took over an 8th place team, same record as Geno, small advantage to Geno
Altman took over a 10th place team did similar to Geno
McDermott took over a 10th place team and skyrocketed, advantage McDermott
Merfeld took over a 9th place team and did similar to Geno
Simmons took over a t7th place team, and was even with Geno. advantage Geno
Moser took over a 8th place team and same record as Geno - small advantage Geno
Jank's 12-3 mark I won't even dignify with analysis - everyone knows why that's there. advantage Geno just on principle
McKenna took over a last place team - advantage McKenna
Cuonzo took over a 7th place team, but a 8-10 7th place team...had much more to work with IMO, so I have small advantage Geno...
Turg took over an 8th place team, probably arguably done better than Geno


So your statement,

So believe if you want that this is the norm for new coaches in the Valley but it is NOT - it is at the extreme...

I believe the numbers support it is false. Geno got among the worst situations, and while he has the worst record....he's tied with a few, and most of the others inherited better situations. Not great situations, mind you, but better situations on the whole. Geno's performance has been generally consistent. Now mind you, it's not surpassing the others, so that's fair to point out. But he's not slagging behind compared to the other coaches.


So I think of the 5-10 and 6-9 guys, at the least, Geno compares very, very favorably. Altman and Merfeld have similar profiles, Simmons, Les and Moser are slightly behind. I think we'll be just fine if, historically speaking, we have a 1 in 2 shot at being Altman here.

[Bravesfan]

So, condensing t's list down to the coaches he listed:

Geno - 5-10
Jim Les - 5-10
Dana Altman - 6-9
Greg McDermott 10-5
Steve Merfeld - 6-9
Marty Simmons - 5-10
Porter Moser - 5-10
Tim Jankovich - 12-3
Kevin McKenna - 9-6
Cuonzo Martin - 7-8
Mark Turgeon - 7-8

I want to compare the job Geno has done to the jobs of the other coaches, factoring in the previous year as well in order to gauge what each coach had to work with.

Les took over an 8th place team, same record as Geno, small advantage to Geno
Altman took over a 10th place team did similar to Geno
McDermott took over a 10th place team and skyrocketed, advantage McDermott
Merfeld took over a 9th place team and did similar to Geno
Simmons took over a t7th place team, and was even with Geno. advantage Geno
Moser took over a 8th place team and same record as Geno - small advantage Geno
Jank's 12-3 mark I won't even dignify with analysis - everyone knows why that's there. advantage Geno just on principle
McKenna took over a last place team - advantage McKenna
Cuonzo took over a 7th place team, but a 8-10 7th place team...had much more to work with IMO, so I have small advantage Geno...
Turg took over an 8th place team, probably arguably done better than Geno


So your statement,


I believe the numbers support it is false. Geno got among the worst situations, and while he has the worst record....he's tied with a few, and most of the others inherited better situations. Not great situations, mind you, but better situations on the whole. Geno's performance has been generally consistent. Now mind you, it's not surpassing the others, so that's fair to point out. But he's not slagging behind compared to the other coaches.


So I think of the 5-10 and 6-9 guys, at the least, Geno compares very, very favorably. Altman and Merfeld have similar profiles, Simmons, Les and Moser are slightly behind. I think we'll be just fine if, historically speaking, we have a 1 in 2 shot at being Altman here.

And again, Altman had a very rough first season, winning just one more game all year after the 15 game mark, and things turned out pretty nicely a few years later from what I can recall.

[Old Coach]

It's not necessarily about that....what I meant was some of those coaches you listed inherited situations where his predecessor was hired away by a bigger school, instead of taking over for a fired coach. I'd be more interested in seeing comparisons with coaches who took over in those situations.

I think we all know what you meant.

Was the arrow pointing up or was it pointing down?