67 BU - 68 WCU Final

[Buesch N Chips]

Fair enough.... but how about two horrible calls last night and Gene did nothing but clap. Tell me how you get a "make up" call when it appears you agree with the call.

I wasn't going to say anything, but I felt the same way.

[Beninator]

I wasn't going to say anything, but I felt the same way.

+1

[Bravesfan]

You sound like Lovie Smith before the Seattle game..... "We need to get better and we will" then they played Seattle (Was that better?). Good athletes don't say "I will get better" publicly. They go practice hard (Are we talkin bout PRACTICE) and have a solid game plan.

POINT...... postive thought only goes so far. Better athletes on the other team WILL win on the road and last night shows sometimes a worse team can win on the road.

FACTS: The Valley is good this year and we are not. Positive thinking will not get us any more wins!! Anybody want to question my prediction of a 1-9 over the next 10 games? Over/under remains at 2 wins!

Yes, but the fact that we are so close to winning a few of these games shows me that the system isn't the big problem. It's making some tweaks within the system, along with better free throw percentage that will win us more games in the future. But I do see improvement in this team each game, TB being the exception recently. But I think he will turn things around too.

The biggest issue though is how well we do against much stronger competition within the Valley (forget Michigan as whatever happens there, happens). I'm more worried about how we hold our own against Wichita St and UNI at home. If we lose to both of those teams by 20 or more in Peoria, we can "improve" all we want this year, but we will have a LONG way to go to try to obtain the level of play that these teams do. If on the other hand we stay close against them at home, and maybe even surprise one of them, then I will be more optimistic that we can be competitive come March.

I do agree though AP that 1-9 or 2-8 is entirely possible given this brutal stretch of games we have coming up. Win 3 or 4 of those 10 and I might be a little bit more optimistic that we can do well in St. Louis.

[Buesch N Chips]

+1

Now, let me say that I don't want a Coach running around getting T's and not letting a bad call go. Coach Les struggled with that quite often, and I didn't like it.

Maybe Geno made his point under his breath and if so fine. But two crap-turd calls in a row and....nothin....at least from my vantage point.

There were some vocal fans, though.

[wily coyote]

Those are not a "make up" call situation and it just upsets the refs more. But bad calls.... let em know it was a bad call you will get some make up calls. For sure with those refs last night. The refs were not working as a team.

Air Petey, its obvious you've never officiated. We've argued this many times and I'm not going to change yours or anyones mind but "make-up calls " are just a figment of the fans imagination. Officials who are good don't get to that level by making make-up calls. Anytime a call is thought to be bad ( and there are some during every game) and the next call goes for the offended team everyone thinks that's a make-up call. That's just plain BS. Appearance is all in the eye of the beholder. It's a no win situation that officials will lose forever.

[Bravesfan]

AWESOME story!!!!!!! If that does not bring this board together for a moment.... nothing will!! Merry Christmas to you and your family. AWESOME

Ditto here!

[Bravesfan]

Those are not a "make up" call situation and it just upsets the refs more. But bad calls.... let em know it was a bad call you will get some make up calls. For sure with those refs last night. The refs were not working as a team.

Air Petey, its obvious you've never officiated. We've argued this many times and I'm not going to change yours or anyones mind but "make-up calls " are just a figment of the fans imagination. Officials who are good don't get to that level by making make-up calls. Anytime a call is thought to be bad ( and there are some during every game) and the next call goes for the offended team everyone thinks that's a make-up call. That's just plain BS. Appearance is all in the eye of the beholder. It's a no win situation that officials will lose forever.

Yes, and that includes our announcers or any other team's announcers. I don't know how many times I've heard that term "make-up" call used by just about every sports announcer in the country, ours included. It's just some don't use that as often as others.

I think there is a certain White Sox play-by-play announcer who shall remain nameless that rags on the umpires at least five times a game!

[SFP]

Last night was special for me because it was the Bradley game initiation for my one and only son. He sat on my knee and stared at the court for the entire duration...glued to the game completely.

Maybe because I was high on life at the time, but I thoroughly enjoyed the game. I thought DSE, Walt, Jake, and Charron's defensive effort was sensational.

The future is bright, and last night for me was a the beginning of someone new to share this passion with.

Post of the year!

That's what's fantastic about the Bradley fan base, as there are many fans who didn't necessarily attend BU but have a connection another way.
Whether it's attending the university, living in the area, being raised on Braves hoops, or whatever else, to be a Brave fan is something special.

I just wish the current student body understood the product they have in front of them. BU basketball is Peoria's team that has BU on its uniform and not the other way around.

[Air Petey]

Air Petey, its obvious you've never officiated. We've argued this many times and I'm not going to change yours or anyones mind but "make-up calls " are just a figment of the fans imagination. Officials who are good don't get to that level by making make-up calls. Anytime a call is thought to be bad ( and there are some during every game) and the next call goes for the offended team everyone thinks that's a make-up call. That's just plain BS. Appearance is all in the eye of the beholder. It's a no win situation that officials will lose forever.

I have played basketball at a junior college level... and yes, I have officiated.

"Make up" calls ARE part of the game. Trust me, officials have a running count in their head. They are human.

You are wrong.... PERIOD

EDIT: I'll tell you where a "Make up" call occurs. It will never be the official that made the call. It will be one of his partners that saw the call go the other way.

[lefty]

I guess if I have a choice I would rather have a coach who deals with officials in a mild manner than argue to their face coming down the floor...

I have no idea what Geno said to officials during the game because he talked to them subtly.....where I sit I could hear quite a bit what JL said...and it wasn't sutble at all........maybe what Geno said had the same impact or better on the officials....I thought it hurt Jim some but that's just my opinion.

That's an experienced crew we had last night......I don't think they are going to be swayed anyway...

[wily coyote]

I have played basketball at a junior college level... and yes, I have officiated.

"Make up" calls ARE part of the game. Trust me, officials have a running count in their head. They are human.

You are wrong.... PERIOD

EDIT: Let me tell you where "Make up" calls occur. It will never be the official that made the call. It will be one of his partners that saw the call go the other way.

AP not sure how far you got up the officiating ladder but I can probably come pretty close by your answer. I have officiated at the highest level in this state and I've NEVER, let me repeat NEVER made a make up call. I will admit to possibly keeping my eye on a coach who was protesting to the level you want Coach Ford to react. That would get my attention and he wouldn't be getting a make-up call. When out of line it would be more along the lines of my avatar.Fortunately I didn't have to do very much of that.It is refreshing to me watching how Coach Ford handles himself on the sidelines. Make up calls may have been part of your game but not mine or the vast majority of officials in the Peoria Officials Assn. Please don't take this wrong but your comment about a running count in their head is just plain erronous. Last time I checked, I'm human and I can say if your keeping a running count in your head your not concentrating on what you should be concentrating on. If your still officiating I would recomend paying more attention to what's going on between the lines instead of counting your make-up calls.

[it's boogie time]

Air Petey, its obvious you've never officiated. We've argued this many times and I'm not going to change yours or anyones mind but "make-up calls " are just a figment of the fans imagination. Officials who are good don't get to that level by making make-up calls.

Interesting that you say that. I was given very good seats last night by a friend (I usually sit in the top of the lower bowl). I got to hear one of the refs explain his bad call to the usual front row fans during a timeout. He brought up that there had been bad calls earlier at the other end and it all cancelled out in the end. He thought nothing of it.

I was just happy that they weren't calling ticky-tack fouls. The game moved right along until the last few minutes.

[Old Coach]

fouled a three point shooter and I think we fouled on a made three as well giving them a 4 point play? If I am remembering right...

we really needed a defensive stop at some point in the last 3 minutes and didn't get one....

entertaining...frustrating....entertaining...frust rating...enter...etc etc...

Yep. The same kid scored 7 points on two attempts.

[Air Petey]

AP not sure how far you got up the officiating ladder...... I have officiated at the highest level in this state and I've NEVER, let me repeat NEVER made a make up call..... but not mine or the vast majority of officials in the Peoria Officials Assn. Please don't take this wrong but your comment about a running count in their head is just plain erronous. If your still officiating I would recomend paying more attention to what's going on between the lines instead of counting your make-up calls.

I played ball, I've been an assist. coach at the JUCO level and I've officiated at the intra-mural level at Bradley. I will admit - I never wore a patch on my sleeve. But I have many friends that are officials and we have talked about this over a cold beer. These are high school, JUCO and college level officials and they have admitted to "make up" calls. You can be above the unwritten rule of "make up" calls but don't think for a second some of your partners did not help you out by correcting a mistake you made. I admire your service.... I understand it's a very tough job, but just because you don't = should not relate that it does not happen. With your erronous comment, I would guess full-time lawyer.... part-time official?

[Buesch N Chips]

Every official will tell you they have never made a make-up call, but I have seen a heck of a lot of them called.