BU 68 -Drexel 73 Final

[Bravesfan]

I missed a lot on this thread since my last visit!

First off, I realize that you are going out of the way to state that there are differing opinions about Geno's offense. That being said, I look at the sign of a good coach as a person who recognizes what they have as a team and then devise a scheme to cater to the strengths of the team. I am of the opinion that Geno's scheme is not a good fit for this team this year. Team stats have proven this so far. Why can he not adjust and install some half court sets? We do not have the depth to have a run and gun offense, so eventually any attempt to run and gun ultimately settles in to a half court situation. I haven't seen any type of change in our half court sets since game 1. It would not be that difficult to do especially after finals are over.

And for those of you out there who may say that coaches do not change schemes during the season, I offer this years Denver Broncos as a prime example.

I agree with you about coaches adopting to the talent level of the team they are coaching. But I have seen others respond to this by saying that if the team can't make easy baskets under the system Geno is running now, how are they going to make the same easy baskets under a slower half court offense? In other words, it may not matter so much which offensive system is used now, and/or perhaps this run and gun offense is the system that Geno sincerely believes the players are most comfortable with. You could probably ask ten different people on what they think of Geno and you would get ten different opinions.

I know I do see improvement under this fast paced offense, but whether or not the players would be more comfortable under a half court offense is certainly open for debate right now.

[lefty]

If his true position is the 5, then at his height, he's playing at the wrong level.

Well no doubt it may be a stretch. I think it's tough for JP to play 30plus minutes a game there....Matt Salley played the 5 at 6'6 so it can be done in the MVC......but I don't know that JP is quick enough to play a 4 either...

If Sticks can play 15 minutes a game or so then JP might be more effective...

[Old Coach]

I know I do see improvement under this fast paced offense, but whether or not the players would be more comfortable under a half court offense is certainly open for debate right now.

That is the debate. If this team was full of 40% 3-point FG shooters, and had a couple of proficient post players who could catch the ball on the block and finish at the rim, then I would be a huge proponent for multiple half court sets. That being said, this team clearly seems to be most comfortable with the guards attacking the basket off the dribble and scoring from inside of 10 feet. On Tuesday night, everyone should watch and count how many shots the Braves take immediately after receiving a pass (without dribbling first).

[lefty]

Nice try there buschsquirrell... As I have responded to this type of remark from you before on this board, NOBODY is criticizing Walt. However, I and some other people on this thread are criticizing the COACHING STAFF for continuing to play Walt out of position.

Big difference.

Walt is simply doing what is asked of him by the staff without any complaints.

like I said when someone doesn't like the hire they will criticize everything the coaches do or don't do for that matter. There were people who didn't like the Les hire and so it went...of course he didn't have any experience so that is somewhat understandable .Geno has been coaching awhile and Greg Graham has been coaching a long time including 8 years as Boise State's head coach...

10 games into a season with a team that finished last in the conference(I know about the injuries) a whole new system....of course he doesn't have the bulk of his recruits playing but he still has some underclassmen who will be playing his system the next few years....we will see how it goes...but if they are still shooting quick shot and making bad passes and a 500 team in 3 years or so then I would understand the gripes...but right now I don't get it........

Now if you don't like the hire and say I don't like anything Geno does than just say it.....my simple mind will understand that better.

[OrangeandBlack74]

like I said when someone doesn't like the hire they will criticize everything the coaches do or don't do for that matter. There were people who didn't like the Les hire and so it went...of course he didn't have any experience so that is somewhat understandable .Geno has been coaching awhile and Greg Graham has been coaching a long time including 8 years as Boise State's head coach...

10 games into a season with a team that finished last in the conference(I know about the injuries) a whole new system....of course he doesn't have the bulk of his recruits playing but he still has some underclassmen who will be playing his system the next few years....we will see how it goes...but if they are still shooting quick shot and making bad passes and a 500 team in 3 years or so then I would understand the gripes...but right now I don't get it........

Now if you don't like the hire and say I don't like anything Geno does than just say it.....my simple mind will understand that better.

Hey...it's a message board...where the land of 10,000 coaches will debate everything from the coach's style of play to the halftime entertainment!

There are people who didn't like what happened to JL, and they are likely to be more critical of Geno than those who wanted a change. I think it's apparent who those people are.

I think we should let Geno and his staff do what they think is best for this team, even though the results may not always be favorable. I trust that better days are ahead...probably not this season...we just need to be patient!

[Beninator]

like I said when someone doesn't like the hire they will criticize everything the coaches do or don't do for that matter. There were people who didn't like the Les hire and so it went...of course he didn't have any experience so that is somewhat understandable .Geno has been coaching awhile and Greg Graham has been coaching a long time including 8 years as Boise State's head coach...

10 games into a season with a team that finished last in the conference(I know about the injuries) a whole new system....of course he doesn't have the bulk of his recruits playing but he still has some underclassmen who will be playing his system the next few years....we will see how it goes...but if they are still shooting quick shot and making bad passes and a 500 team in 3 years or so then I would understand the gripes...but right now I don't get it........

Now if you don't like the hire and say I don't like anything Geno does than just say it.....my simple mind will understand that better.

What I don't like and have sited are numerous examples of which this staff has failed to correct obvious situational errors in our game! I have questioned the offensive schemes, which is exactly what the Drexel announcers stated during their broadcast. Sometimes it is nice to listen to an outsider's opinion. I question why we have multiple players taking ill-advised shots in situations in which are are outnumbered with no chance for a rebound.. 15-20 foot shots on fast break situations!! smh I know high school coaches who would throw a fit if one of their players did that. Yet with full access to game film etc, we are still doing these things 10 games into the season. Can you not see this? As for the hire, my opinion is far more complex than what you have stated. I knew nothing about Geno before he was hired here. I took a neutral stance on how good he is because I wanted to see for myself what he brings to the table. I realize that the worthiness of the hire should be judged in year 3-4 when he has some of his players here. I want him to succeed. Bradley did the right thing by allocating the resources necessary to attract someone with a decent talent level. However, my first impression of this hire is very unfavorable!

[Da Coach]

like I said when someone doesn't like the hire they will criticize everything the coaches do or don't do for that matter.

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Now if you don't like the hire and say I don't like anything Geno does than just say it.....my simple mind will understand that better.

I don't see anyone saying they do not like the hire, do not like Geno, or do not like his coaching. All I see is fans voicing opinions about the way they see things this season so far, and commenting on specific things about the games. After the past several years of some fans questioning and condemning everything the coach did from his style of play, to his choice of players, to his recruiting, to the 3 or 4 guard offense, to his offensive sets, to his defensive coaching, to his behavior on the sidelines, to his personality, etc, those people seem to be hypocritically intolerant of fans like Beninator and others saying something as mild as he would like to see Walt Lemon at the 2-guard instead of the point, or that we should run more sets instead of the 1 on 1 moves.
I don't see anything more critical than that, which is amazingly mild compared with what we've had for the past 9 years.

[lefty]

I don't see anyone saying they do not like the hire, do not like Geno, or do not like his coaching. All I see is fans voicing opinions about the way they see things this season so far, and commenting on specific things about the games. After the past several years of some fans questioning and condemning everything the coach did from his style of play, to his choice of players, to his recruiting, to the 3 or 4 guard offense, to his offensive sets, to his defensive coaching, to his behavior on the sidelines, to his personality, etc, those people seem to be hypocritically intolerant of fans like Beninator and others saying something as mild as he would like to see Walt Lemon at the 2-guard instead of the point, or that we should run more sets instead of the 1 on 1 moves.
I don't see anything more critical than that, which is amazingly mild compared with what we've had for the past 9 years.

I knew I should have just passed instead of responding to Ben's post

Ben's post above says to me he doesn't like his coaching...........again comparing 10 games to 9 years seems silly...most of the gripes with JL was on the hire because of no experience and then not capitalizing on the NCAA opportunity....like others said I'm pretty sure if years 3 and 4 are no better than now most everyone will be all over Geno. This staff has some experience...I won't ever understand completely why coaches do what they do...it will come down to wins and losses...
Everyone has their biases.....You would have refuted a post like that against JL....I understand the loyalties to JL

I know there were folks who said they supported BU but couldn't wait to say I told you so....and there some waiting for that opportunity now.

[lefty]

What I don't like and have sited are numerous examples of which this staff has failed to correct obvious situational errors in our game! I have questioned the offensive schemes, which is exactly what the Drexel announcers stated during their broadcast. Sometimes it is nice to listen to an outsider's opinion. I question why we have multiple players taking ill-advised shots in situations in which are are outnumbered with no chance for a rebound.. 15-20 foot shots on fast break situations!! smh I know high school coaches who would throw a fit if one of their players did that. Yet with full access to game film etc, we are still doing these things 10 games into the season. Can you not see this? As for the hire, my opinion is far more complex than what you have stated. I knew nothing about Geno before he was hired here. I took a neutral stance on how good he is because I wanted to see for myself what he brings to the table. I realize that the worthiness of the hire should be judged in year 3-4 when he has some of his players here. I want him to succeed. Bradley did the right thing by allocating the resources necessary to attract someone with a decent talent level. However, my first impression of this hire is very unfavorable!

That's fine....I think your expectations 10 games into the season are a little much....I think it's a work in progress......not a finished product..

And not to nitpik...but there things we did that some didn't understand the last few years and went on the whole year...year after year....so we are 10 games into a season....we'll see how it goes.

Sure I know HS coaches that would throw a fit over shooting those shots.
I know college coaches who would too.....I also know others on both levels that wouldn't have a problem with it...

Personally...I think Geno is trying to instill confidence in his players....and will do his best to develop players to be successful in his system

[Beninator]

I knew I should have just passed instead of responding to Ben's post

[tornado]

Personally...I think Geno is trying to instill confidence in his players....and will do his best to develop players to be successful in his system

as I said in the Pac-12/Utah thread - a new coach deserves a little time before people get ballistic...
I like Geno and what he's gotten done in just a few months....

[Future Walk-On]

wooooo did I miss an eventful thread.

I don't see how we all can't have patience either.... everything is a cluster#%^#%#.... recruiting, coaching, changing offenses/defenses etc...

Like someone said earlier, I just want to see effort.


PS Does anyone not like that Drexel coach after watching his post game interview? what a douche bag....

[shaunguth]

...most of the gripes with JL was on the hire because of no experience and then not capitalizing on the NCAA opportunity....

Much like I've read that the Bradley injury bug of the past few seasons is nothing different than other teams across the country, I guess every other mid-major team in the country has their starting center leave for the NBA after just two seasons?

Again.....just like the injuries almost never get mentioned when bringing up last year's last place Bradley team, POB leaving cannot be ignored when talking about "capitalizing on the NCAA opportunity". In fact, JL very seldom gets credit for that season......it was apparently an assistant coach that got us that far.....even though we've been told countless times by those same people that the head coach is the one responsible for his team.

[shaunguth]

as I said in the Pac-12/Utah thread - a new coach deserves a little time before people get ballistic...
I like Geno and what he's gotten done in just a few months....

I agree and have said all along that I really don't care much about wins and losses until year 3 when most of the roster will be GF's players.

But I also don't think anyone is getting "ballistic" by saying WLJ might be even better at the 2 spot with DSE or heaven forbid DS at point guard. That's simple criticism of game/lineup situations.

I have said all along that I don't believe one player that has started every single game should even be in the starting lineup. I hope nobody thinks I'm getting "ballistic" when I say such things. That's simply my opinion. We've been told this player is our "best player in practice". Hopefully, we see that at some point during games, because I still don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing that he's apparently our best practice player. At this point, I'll trust that GF is starting the most deserving players, but we are now 10 games in and I just don't see it.

[lefty]

Much like I've read that the Bradley injury bug of the past few seasons is nothing different than other teams across the country, I guess every other mid-major team in the country has their starting center leave for the NBA after just two seasons?

Again.....just like the injuries almost never get mentioned when bringing up last year's last place Bradley team, POB leaving cannot be ignored when talking about "capitalizing on the NCAA opportunity". In fact, JL very seldom gets credit for that season......it was apparently an assistant coach that got us that far.....even though we've been told countless times by those same people that the head coach is the one responsible for his team.

There's a lot there....but I just don't have the time