IU Upsets #1 UK 73-72

[tornado]

Ford and Crean took over with much different situations. Not a good comparison IMO

Crean has a little advantage now having a bunch of experience...
sure he has a 5-Star center who is a freshman, but eight other players logging the most minutes are all quite experienced and have played a lot of games.
Kentucky, meanwhile, plays FOUR freshman among their top 8 players and three more who are just 2nd year players
This was a great win for IU but the Hoosiers have still played only one game outside their home state, and only has to leave their home state twice again between now and Jan. 15th!!!

it will be a two-and-a-half-week stretch from 1/15 thru 2/4 when they play six of seven on the road that may kill them and knock them out of contention for the NCAA Tourney that they are now so hopeful of...

[buschsquirrel2011]

Ford and Crean took over with much different situations. Not a good comparison IMO

I guess we disagree then.

[Braves4Life]

I guess we disagree then.

OK. Please explain then. How exactly is the Crean versus Ford situation similar?

[lefty]

I guess we disagree then.

I guess I have to state the obvious...Crean takes over for big time cheater Sampson with sanctions and Ford didn't...that's pretty big difference to start with.

[buschsquirrel2011]

OK. Please explain then. How exactly is the Crean versus Ford situation similar?

Guy takes over for a fired coach who was not winning enough games, in a program trending downward with very little talent left on the roster and a messed up scholarship situation that hurts the chances of a quick turnaround.

[cpacmel]

Guy takes over for a fired coach who was not winning enough games, in a program trending downward with very little talent left on the roster and a messed up scholarship situation that hurts the chances of a quick turnaround.

Sampson was winning plenty at Indiana. 22 wins in his first year, plus he was 22-4 in his 2nd year when he was removed late in the season because of sanctions.

[tornado]

but now we have proof he was cheating to land the players - and IU is lucky they didn't have to vacate those wins

[cpacmel]

True. But he wasn't fired for lack of wins.

[Toyota12]

players

I did not watch the game! Did Remy or Matt play?

[tornado]

I did not watch the game! Did Remy or Matt play?

nope - both did not play and since they love to show Tom Crean - both players were visible behind him on the bench many times...
Remy looked very enthusiastic and into the game and ready in case he was called..
MR looked as if he didn't expect to get in the game

[TylerDurden]

Night and day situations between IU and BU.

Probation and a complete start-from-scratch job vs. fired for various reasons not related to violations.

I'm not suggesting BU wasn't in a bad spot to start this season, but it was nothing like what Indiana went through.

IU started with nothing when Crean was hired. Sampson's players went to the NBA, graduated or left when he was fired.

There were two guys who were on both teams. A freshman-to-sophomore walk-on who had played 11 total minutes Sampson's last year and junior-to-senior whose numbers I mention below.

07-08 IU roster (Sampson's last year): http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-...041508aaa.html
34 Ahlfeld, Adam
5 Crawford, Jordan
4 Finkelmeier, Brett (Walk-on)
23 Gordon, Eric
32 Holman, Eli
24 McGee, Brandon
22 Stemler, Lance
44 Taber, Kyle - Played 11.2 minutes a game and averaged 1.3 ppg/2.5 rebs
2 Thomas, DeAndre
3 White, D.J.
30 White, Mike

08-09 IU roster (Crean's first year): http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-...bl-mtt-09.html
30 Barnett, Kory
33 Dumes, Devan
4 Finkelmeier, Brett (Walk-on)
24 Gambles, Steven
40 Jobe, Tijan 7-0
12 Jones III, Verdell
32 Lewis, Broderick
3 Moore, Daniel
25 Pritchard, Tom
5 Rivers, Jeremiah
2 Roth, Matt
23 Schutz, Kipp
34 Story, Malik
44 Taber, Kyle played 23.8 minutes a game - 4.1 ppg/5 rpg
20 Williams, Nick


The IU and BU situations are not the same. IU would have been lucky to have as many guys with DI experience as BU when Crean took over.

[tornado]

...Sampson's players went to the NBA, graduated or left when he was fired. ....

I would describe it differently...and documented by facts....here's a more accurate listing of who was there and who was run off by Crean

http://bubravesblogger.blogspot.com/2010/12/debunking-myths-againindiana-beaten.html

But regardless, the state of Indiana certainly has the talent, and now in his 4th year, Crean has enough talent to compete...

[lefty]

Night and day situations between IU and BU.

Probation and a complete start-from-scratch job vs. fired for various reasons not related to violations.

I'm not suggesting BU wasn't in a bad spot to start this season, but it was nothing like what Indiana went through.

IU started with nothing when Crean was hired. Sampson's players went to the NBA, graduated or left when he was fired.

There were two guys who were on both teams. A freshman-to-sophomore walk-on who had played 11 total minutes Sampson's last year and junior-to-senior whose numbers I mention below.

07-08 IU roster (Sampson's last year): http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-...041508aaa.html
34 Ahlfeld, Adam
5 Crawford, Jordan
4 Finkelmeier, Brett (Walk-on)
23 Gordon, Eric
32 Holman, Eli
24 McGee, Brandon
22 Stemler, Lance
44 Taber, Kyle - Played 11.2 minutes a game and averaged 1.3 ppg/2.5 rebs
2 Thomas, DeAndre
3 White, D.J.
30 White, Mike

08-09 IU roster (Crean's first year): http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-...bl-mtt-09.html
30 Barnett, Kory
33 Dumes, Devan
4 Finkelmeier, Brett (Walk-on)
24 Gambles, Steven
40 Jobe, Tijan 7-0
12 Jones III, Verdell
32 Lewis, Broderick
3 Moore, Daniel
25 Pritchard, Tom
5 Rivers, Jeremiah
2 Roth, Matt
23 Schutz, Kipp
34 Story, Malik
44 Taber, Kyle played 23.8 minutes a game - 4.1 ppg/5 rpg
20 Williams, Nick


The IU and BU situations are not the same. IU would have been lucky to have as many guys with DI experience as BU when Crean took over.

Well done TD....

[buschsquirrel2011]

IU would have been lucky to have as many guys with DI experience as BU when Crean took over.

Let's not confuse experience with talent.

[TylerDurden]

I would describe it differently...and documented by facts....here's a more accurate listing of who was there and who was run off by Crean

http://bubravesblogger.blogspot.com/2010/12/debunking-myths-againindiana-beaten.html

But regardless, the state of Indiana certainly has the talent, and now in his 4th year, Crean has enough talent to compete...

Despite what that blogger says and the "facts" he thinks he presented, Crean did not run those guys off.

Got to love those types of bloggers who speculate about things that they don't really have any information about and rant about it. I guess the internet has its pluses and minuses. I'm glad we avoid that sort of thing regarding BU.