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[wily coyote]

I still think this thread has lost the rails....

This is about this year's team. Who cares what happened 5 years ago?

This team and the S16 team are nothing similar.


Again, to be judging the current team and coaching staff on 2 months is absurd. It has nothing in common with judging a program after 9 seasons of another coach.

Let's just watch this group and coaching staff and see how they develop this season. Conference is where we might get some idea, as we play teams twice.

Agree 100% can't wait till all the pro JL people get over it. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.

[wily coyote]

Comparing those two is ridiculous.After the third year CU finished no worse than 4th in the Valley, most the time finished 1st or 2nd, won the Valley tourney 6 times, and 7 NCAA"s and 5 NIT's....we had a nice run in the SS year and the next year was good too....we just couldn't build on it so the change was made.

Lefty that's about as simple as it gets. Great post.

[mrcoachdude]

Agree 100% can't wait till all the pro JL people get over it. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.

was pro JL and am pro GF...its called pro BU...

it is time to move on, but it needs to be both sides of the arguement...

Lets quit taking swipes at the players...saying the aren't Div1 players and such
Lets quit taking swipes at JL..like left cupboard bare...seeing the word mediocity is about as good as seeing the word fallout..he is gone..lets get ore it

[lefty]

Lefty that's about as simple as it gets. Great post.

For the record I don't know of too many Valley coaches had the continued success that Dana had. When most had decent runs they moved on to BCS conferences. What he did in the Valley was very rare...get to the top and for the most part stay there

[shaunguth]

was pro JL and am pro GF...its called pro BU...

it is time to move on, but it needs to be both sides of the arguement...

Lets quit taking swipes at the players...saying the aren't Div1 players and such
Lets quit taking swipes at JL..like left cupboard bare...seeing the word mediocity is about as good as seeing the word fallout..he is gone..lets get ore it

I completely agree!

[Chico]

Agree 100% can't wait till all the pro JL people get over it. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.

There have been posts both ways. Time for everyone to move on.

[buschsquirrel2011]

was pro JL and am pro GF...its called pro BU...

it is time to move on, but it needs to be both sides of the arguement...

Lets quit taking swipes at the players...saying the aren't Div1 players and such
Lets quit taking swipes at JL..like left cupboard bare...seeing the word mediocity is about as good as seeing the word fallout..he is gone..lets get ore it

Understood coachdude but to discuss where the program needs to go you have to look objectively at the roster...don't you?

Either way--I agree with you and JD. Talking about stuff five years ago is just ridiculous. The change has been made. Like with most changes in the college game similar to this one it will take some time for the new coach to succeed--if he does at all.

Bradley is not different than any other program in that regard. We can either enjoy the ride and be patient or we can continue to talk about the past, look at every minute detail of why a change was made, etc. Again, like every other coaching change similar one coach lost a job because of poor performance and another guy got the job because of the previous coaches poor performance. Pretty simple.

Onward and upward. As Geno said--this team is giving him all it has right now from an effort standpoint. That is all we should ask for.

[BradleyJD]

Understood coachdude but to discuss where the program needs to go you have to look objectively at the roster...don't you?

Either way--I agree with you and JD. Talking about stuff five years ago is just ridiculous. The change has been made. Like with most changes in the college game similar to this one it will take some time for the new coach to succeed--if he does at all.

Bradley is not different than any other program in that regard. We can either enjoy the ride and be patient or we can continue to talk about the past, look at every minute detail of why a change was made, etc. Again, like every other coaching change similar one coach lost a job because of poor performance and another guy got the job because of the previous coaches poor performance. Pretty simple.

Onward and upward. As Geno said--this team is giving him all it has right now from an effort standpoint. That is all we should ask for.

Good points...

I would like to add also...Coach Ford has done a good job, at least publicly, of remaining positive and objective. He is looking long-term while many are stuck on the right-now.

This team is climbing a long road. I think the conference games will give a good sample at adjustments the team and coaches can or can't make.

[buschsquirrel2011]

I would like to add also...Coach Ford has done a good job, at least publicly, of remaining positive and objective. He is looking long-term while many are stuck on the right-now.

This point hasn't been stressed enough--good catch JD.

When someone is secure in themselves and what they are trying to do they can remain positive and objective with their eyes to the future and having a plan.

[mrcoachdude]

Understood coachdude but to discuss where the program needs to go you have to look objectively at the roster...don't you?

Either way--I agree with you and JD. Talking about stuff five years ago is just ridiculous. The change has been made. Like with most changes in the college game similar to this one it will take some time for the new coach to succeed--if he does at all.

Bradley is not different than any other program in that regard. We can either enjoy the ride and be patient or we can continue to talk about the past, look at every minute detail of why a change was made, etc. Again, like every other coaching change similar one coach lost a job because of poor performance and another guy got the job because of the previous coaches poor performance. Pretty simple.

Onward and upward. As Geno said--this team is giving him all it has right now from an effort standpoint. That is all we should ask for.

Taking a look at the roster and seeing what we need is fine...saying this one needs to go or that one is not a D1 player?? I do not care for that at all...

[buschsquirrel2011]

Taking a look at the roster and seeing what we need is fine...saying this one needs to go or that one is not a D1 player?? I do not care for that at all...

Fair enough. Totally understood.

[Bravesfan]

My fair expectation would be that I would like for the staff to realize some things and ADJUST to what is happening on the floor. We currently have two players who have a positive assist/turnover ratio. One barely positive. That tells me that this current system does not match the makeup of the team and that a player or two is playing way out of position. Why not change things up? We also have a player who is shooting .091 from the three. Yet by the sheer volume of shot attempts, it would indicate that this person has the green light to launch threes????? I am not expecting miracles this year, but I would like to see an experienced staff show me something.

That's a fair assessment. I don't know if changing things up will make things much better this year, but it couldn't hurt to try.

[Bravesfan]

That's why I thought, if you were unhappy with JL's performance, he should have been let go a year earlier. To bring him back, have him work under the conditions of losing two starters, two losses that he had no time to recruit to cover, and then fire him for the number of wins that the swiss cheese team had, I thought was bad form.

8 years, mediocre record, I get it. Let him go. Tie an arm behind his back and blindfold him, then ask him to finish top 3, then fire him because he doesn't, makes no sense.

I think fans who were not enamored with JL took advantage of last year's circumstances to exaggerate his shortcomings. And it worked.

Great point BNC. I think someone in the adminstration used last year's poor performance due to the injuries as an excuse to get rid of Les based on his previous eight years. Whether people believe it was right or wrong to fire him, they certainly used poor etiquette in doing so after an injury riddled season.

[Bravesfan]

[QUOTE=wily coyote;243804]

Then Les should have been fired after year 7 or 8.

Now your getting the picture. I've gone on record saying it's to bad it came to that but that's what was needed. To early to tell if Geno is the answer but he sure isn't the problem.Its gonna get better.

Glad we are pretty close to agreeing here. And I hope things get better as well.

[Bravesfan]

Comparing those two is ridiculous.After the third year CU finished no worse than 4th in the Valley, most the time finished 1st or 2nd, won the Valley tourney 6 times, and 7 NCAA"s and 5 NIT's....we had a nice run in the SS year and the next year was good too....we just couldn't build on it so the change was made.

Oh, I wasn't comparing Les's and Altman's respective bodies of work. I was just trying to make a point on how long it takes for the average coach to turn a program around. That's why I don't think you can totally evaluate a coach's run at a particular school after just two or three years. Four or five probably is adequate, and maybe a little less if the team takes big steps backward. Just illustrating that Les's and Altman's first three years were more or less rebuilding years and could be set aside when evaluating a coach's resume.

But of course Altman was a far superior coach than Les was, but that's not a knock on Les. Altman is far superior to the vast majority of coaches in the game now, though we'll see how he does the next year or two at Oregon as well.