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  • #46
    It's stunning to see how negative this board has become. I cannot imagine how giving up on players and coaches in the 1st year of a coaching regime is reasonable.

    I think this group is struggling, but trying to work their way through a very tough situation. We are obviously very short handed.

    I think the players and coaches are going to stay on point and keep working on establishing a style. This is a process and we are in the very first steps of it.

    If you are giving up now, fine. But don't come back later on when the ship has turned and the program is winning again.

    Go BU.
    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by OrangeandBlack74 View Post
      Let's see...we don't have a true PG, so Geno gets one of those in KB.

      Then, we need a replacement for TB, so Geno gets one in TP.

      And we don't have any remaining scholies
      Just how do you propose getting some shooters for next year unless we send some kids packing???
      Come on, we just signed 5 players in this class, 3 of them by the current staff, 5 if NW and DS are counted, and they should be since Geno wanted them. So if some fans see deficiencies, just how is it that some people still create a way to blame a coach who isn't here anymore.

      And I consider myself optimistic, but even I would be fooling myself to think KB can replace what SM would have given us, or that TP can come close to what TB does.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
        It's stunning to see how negative this board has become. I cannot imagine how giving up on players and coaches in the 1st year of a coaching regime is reasonable.

        I think this group is struggling, but trying to work their way through a very tough situation. We are obviously very short handed.

        I think the players and coaches are going to stay on point and keep working on establishing a style. This is a process and we are in the very first steps of it.

        If you are giving up now, fine. But don't come back later on when the ship has turned and the program is winning again.

        Go BU.
        I believe 100% in GF and I like all our players. I think we will be good eventually. However I do believe it is going to be a long process and several years before we are good. There are just too many missing pieces. We do need to see improvement though, and right now the team is not looking particularly good in any area, especially offense.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by real fan View Post
          I stand by the coaching staff but as far as players go we only need to keep the ones that are capable of contributing, if we don"t go out and get 2 more players to go with are 2 new recruits we most likely have the same problems next season with no real 3 point shooters, in order to have a good inside game you have to have a decent outside game, we finally have good inside players.
          Longest sentence ever.

          Anyways, you are proposing we keep DSE, Eastman, Lemon Jr., and Prosser? I guess we could keep Crawford and Shayok another year and see how they do, but everyone else should be gone?
          ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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          • #50
            Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
            It's stunning to see how negative this board has become. I cannot imagine how giving up on players and coaches in the 1st year of a coaching regime is reasonable.

            I think this group is struggling, but trying to work their way through a very tough situation. We are obviously very short handed.

            I think the players and coaches are going to stay on point and keep working on establishing a style. This is a process and we are in the very first steps of it.

            If you are giving up now, fine. But don't come back later on when the ship has turned and the program is winning again.

            Go BU.
            You have a short memory. Things have been far more negative in the past few years, especially last spring. I have faith Geno will get things going eventually, but what we are seeing is the direct and expected effects of the changes last spring. Some fans were so blind as to think everything would be better immediately.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
              It's stunning to see how negative this board has become. I cannot imagine how giving up on players and coaches in the 1st year of a coaching regime is reasonable.

              I think this group is struggling, but trying to work their way through a very tough situation. We are obviously very short handed.

              I think the players and coaches are going to stay on point and keep working on establishing a style. This is a process and we are in the very first steps of it.

              If you are giving up now, fine. But don't come back later on when the ship has turned and the program is winning again.

              Go BU.
              Agreed. I think it's crazy to say we should only keep the players that are contributing. That doesn't leave much at all. How long do we give the new guys to "contribute". That would be an interesting recruiting sell.
              ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
                It's stunning to see how negative this board has become. I cannot imagine how giving up on players and coaches in the 1st year of a coaching regime is reasonable.

                I think this group is struggling, but trying to work their way through a very tough situation. We are obviously very short handed.

                I think the players and coaches are going to stay on point and keep working on establishing a style. This is a process and we are in the very first steps of it.

                If you are giving up now, fine. But don't come back later on when the ship has turned and the program is winning again.

                Go BU.
                I want to like this new staff... I really do.... But so far, they haven't shown me that they deserve to coach at the MVC level!
                Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Beninator View Post
                  I want to like this new staff... I really do.... But so far, they haven't shown me that they deserve to coach at the MVC level!
                  So Geno has MAC COY skills, but not MVC skills?

                  Ok.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                    Some fans were so blind as to think everything would be better immediately.
                    I don't disagree. This is going to be a long process. Building takes time.
                    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                      Come on, we just signed 5 players in this class, 3 of them by the current staff, 5 if NW and DS are counted, and they should be since Geno wanted them. So if some fans see deficiencies, just how is it that some people still create a way to blame a coach who isn't here anymore.

                      And I consider myself optimistic, but even I would be fooling myself to think KB can replace what SM would have given us, or that TP can come close to what TB does.
                      Yeah, but Geno signed all of his freshmen late as a result of only being hired on March 28th. It's not like he had a plethora of players to choose from. And lets face it, there are a couple players on this team who are pretty much dead weight. No offense to them, they just don't belong at this level.

                      And how is comparing Bell to Maniscalco even in the least bit relevant? By the time Bell gets here it will be two years removed from Sam playing here. Think about what we have, not what could have been. And if you really want to think about what could have been, I'll tell you. Mediocrity.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
                        It's stunning to see how negative this board has become.
                        It is also stunning how some people all of the sudden don't care about winning, after saying last year that it was all that mattered, regardless of the situation.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Buesch N Chips View Post
                          It is also stunning how some people all of the sudden don't care about winning, after saying last year that it was all that mattered, regardless of the situation.
                          B & C - I once had a D-I coach tell me that some head coaches MAY NOT be all that interested in winning in Year-1...

                          Not only would it create undue expectations for year-two and beyond -
                          but it will always set up the arguments that you inherited all the talent ...etc...
                          and you'll be hearing the line for years to come - 'how come everything dropped off when you got your own players'...

                          Well -- I am not saying that's what happening here but you'd have to admit it sure does look like we're playing with people out of position in a style that doesn't fit our players

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                            Come on, we just signed 5 players in this class, 3 of them by the current staff, 5 if NW and DS are counted, and they should be since Geno wanted them. So if some fans see deficiencies, just how is it that some people still create a way to blame a coach who isn't here anymore.

                            And I consider myself optimistic, but even I would be fooling myself to think KB can replace what SM would have given us, or that TP can come close to what TB does.
                            I am with you DC, but I just don't get how outside of three players our shooting became so bad, particularly from beyond the three point line. Did these players forget how to shoot all of the sudden, or are they just rushing shots under Geno's new system? I think Les did a good job recruiting, but I'm wondering if we need to concentrate more on getting good pure shooters over more athletic types.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by tornado View Post
                              B & C - I once had a D-I coach tell me that some head coaches MAY NOT be all that interested in winning in Year-1...

                              Not only would it created undue expectations for year-two and beyond -
                              but it will always set up the arguments that you inherited all the talent ...etc...
                              and you'll be hearing the line for years to come - 'how come everything dropped off when you got your own players'...

                              Well -- I am not saying that's what happening here but you'd have to admit it sure does look like we're playing with people out of position in a style that doesn't fit our players
                              OMG!!! It sounds as if we are on the same page on SOME things. May need to talk to you before a game sometime!
                              Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                              ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                              • #60
                                KB is not a true point guard. They are going to make him into a point guard. Send everyone packing as far as I care if you can't play get rid of them don't keep them around.

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