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  • Big Ten Games last night

    A couple things caught my eye and ear that I thought deserved further discussion

    Big Ten goes 4-2 and wins the Challenge 8-4

    Indiana beat NC State in an entertaining game 86-75
    Tom Crean clearly shows he is going to play just 6-7 guys the whole way..
    One of his guys IS Remy Abell who played some KEY minutes in the heart of the game and he played VERY WELL.
    Remy drained a key 3-pointers and had 5 pts in his 8 minutes, the BEST per-minute production of anyone in the ENTIRE GAME!!!
    Remy also had a steal and played PG fine while in there.

    All the rest of the players on Indiana's roster have to see that their chance of playing much is limited --
    Guys like Matt Roth and Austin Etherington had better watch for blisters on their bottoms...as a whole crop of 5-star kids start coming in next year as well.


    Penn St. edges BC 62-54
    Nebraska flubbed a chance and lost to Wake 55-53
    UNC edges Wisconsin 60-57

    Then finally two stories that go beyond the scores...

    Michigan State beat Florida State 65-49 but this game featured ex-Saluki & grad student Brandon Wood playing well - like Sammy Maniscalco did last night - prompting lots of talk about the best MIDMAJOR players being "RECRUITED" off their mid-major roster to play for a BCS team if they can declare as grad students. Watch it happen all the more -- as one of the announcers flatly stated..
    "Mid-majors aren't going to like this rule"...duh....


    Then Minnesota beat Virginia Tech 58-55 but Bobby Knight did this game and again showed he's definitely past his prime....either that or he's revealing that he really just doesn't know as much as people give him credit for.
    Once before we discussed how silly his logic was to intentionally miss a FT when you are up 3 - since going up 4 would assure 100% that you win!
    This time he said a lot of dumb things but the dumbest was right at the end of the game with Minny up one and shooting 2 FT's with just over 9 seconds left.
    Bobby declares the shooter should MISS the 2nd FT on purpose to make it harder for VT to get a shot off....also a seemingly a really bad move in most people's minds - so what is Bobby thinking?
    Here's the ENORMOUS PROBLEM with that idea....that if you make the FT you at least assure that V-Tech won't make a shot to win..but if you miss, then NINE SECONDS is plenty of time to get the ball up and take a shot.
    The Virginia Tech shooter (Green) was hotter than heck and was a REAL threat (hitting over 50%) to nail a THREE.
    Missing that FT means even a 2-pointer takes away your win!

    Then inexplicably - just as the Minnesota shooter makes the 2nd FT - Bobby completely reverses himself and then says making it was the right move (someone probably told him thru his earpiece how dumb his idea was).
    He's becoming an embarrassment.

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    Knight was way off as the 1st half was coming to an end...he was lost...saying something about making a good fould to give them more time after the shot clock would run out..shot clock was not on (24 seconds left on game clock)...
    Peoria Toyota Scion

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    • #3
      Why coaches continually allow teams to shoot a game tying three pointer when they are up three in the final seconds is beyond me. It almost burned Minnesota last night.

      It is absolutely my biggest pet peeve in all of basketball. I saw another team lose this past weekend after a player made a shot at the buzzer to tie..and then that team won in OT.

      I have never, ever seen a team lose who fouled in that situation. Not fouling makes absolutely zero sense and zero logic if given any thought.

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      • #4
        many coaches do just that and foul - but I have seen it backfire...most notably in an NBA game where Craig Hodges desperately threw up a long shot as he was fouled and the ref allowed it and it went - then he sank the FT for a 4 pt play!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tornado View Post
          many coaches do just that and foul - but I have seen it backfire...most notably in an NBA game where Craig Hodges desperately threw up a long shot as he was fouled and the ref allowed it and it went - then he sank the FT for a 4 pt play!
          Those instances are few and far between. Don't you agree it's a much smarter move to foul?

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          • #6
            one game last - not a Big Ten - UIC lost to Green Bay 71-68 and UIC had a lot of chances to win but used their fouls poorly at the end...
            even declining to foul one last time with 7-8 seconds left and only down 3...
            they conceded and just let UW-GB dribble the clock out!

            I don't get it -- with that much time left - YOU HAVE TO FOUL!!!!
            You never know - the guy might miss his FTs and you get 8 seconds to make a 3-pointer - yet UIC just walked towards the bench and chose not to foul!

            The game was interesting also because of something color commentator Dave Kaplan said...
            he mentioned an incident while he was playing college basketball where the coach withheld a post-game snack on the bus as a form of discipline.
            AND YET - totally opposite of how some folks portray such a move - Kaplan said the coach made the right decision, and that it caught the players' attention, and that they were HIGHLY motivated to make amends - and that the ploy worked precisely as it was intended...
            not to mention that EVERY player always carries a snack, candy bar, Gatorade, etc. in their gym bag anyway - so nobody had even the remotest chance of going hungry or getting hypoglycemic....but the move by his coach did the job and was a useful tool in getting his players' attention!
            Kaplan then added that while he was coaching at NIU - that he also used the same maneuver on occasion - and it worked for him as well....
            ....how 'bout that ?? Kinda proves some folks dead wrong, huh??

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tornado View Post
              ....how 'bout that ?? Kinda proves some folks dead wrong, huh??
              Yep. If Dave Kaplan says it then it is obviously gospel and proves that everyone else's feelings about a subject are dead wrong.

              Couldn't I find other posts on here where people ridiculed and made a point of Dave Kaplan for being wrong on different occasions?

              Who knew Dave Kaplan was the end all and be all on the subject?

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              • #8
                he was there, witnessed it, experienced it, and gave his informed opinion...
                to me that's a whole lot more powerful than the opinions of us a bunch of know-nothings on message boards...

                BTW -- now almost NINE years have passed and I have still NEVER, ever seen even one reference to the supposed "fact" that Danny Granger suffers from hypoglycemia...
                you think just maybe that was not a true statement??

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tornado View Post
                  he was there, witnessed it, experienced it, and gave his informed opinion...
                  to me that's a whole lot more powerful than the opinions of us a bunch of know-nothings on message boards...

                  BTW -- now almost NINE years have passed and I have still NEVER, ever seen even one reference to the supposed "fact" that Danny Granger suffers from hypoglycemia...
                  you think just maybe that was not a true statement??
                  You are right on one thing...us message boarders are certainly know nothing types

                  I don't think Danny Granger had or has hypoglycemia. I also don't agree with the idea of withholding meals from players as a form of punishment/motivation. But that was a long time ago and Jim Les was early in his coaching career. Not a big deal.

                  Coaches did a lot of things back when Dave Kaplan played and coached that are pretty much taboo in today's game--to me withholding food is one of them. Just my know-nothing opinion of course

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                  • #10
                    it wasn't a meal it was a late night snack - and nobody provides any such thing to me even if I feel like I need one...I don't think it's written into anyone's scholarship agreement, contracts or the Constitution...
                    and as I said most players carry their own anyway and if DG or anyone really needed a snack - even if they didn't have one - certainly some teammate would help out & share

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                    • #11
                      Did anyone see the Michigan State game where the cheerleader got dropped from the top of a formation and appeared severely injured - the game was delayed (the start of the 2nd half) for 20 minutes as the injured girl was carefully moved to a board and taken to a local hospital.
                      It is often noted that cheerleading is one of the most dangerous sports out of there, and anybody watching the Michigan State vs Florida State college


                      In the end, she was OK..but...
                      Just like the incident in the 2006 MVC Tourney - it seemed to spark a rally by Michigan State..as they went from up just 4 pts at the time of the fall to winning by 16.

                      Now the injured cheerleader's dad makes headlines by posting a slightly funny but also slightly insensitive comment about her anatomy...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by buschsquirrel2011 View Post
                        You are right on one thing...us message boarders are certainly know nothing types

                        I don't think Danny Granger had or has hypoglycemia. I also don't agree with the idea of withholding meals from players as a form of punishment/motivation. But that was a long time ago and Jim Les was early in his coaching career. Not a big deal.

                        Coaches did a lot of things back when Dave Kaplan played and coached that are pretty much taboo in today's game--to me withholding food is one of them. Just my know-nothing opinion of course
                        Coaches need to motivate or just figure a way to have their players ready to play at game time, after a loss I do not believe it is good to punish your whole team by canceling your meal plans after the game because you are not happy with the results, it was a childish thing to do and look how it turned out for the team, also Granger was not a team player in all that went on and I know from talking to players parents that he was very selfish and not a good teamate back then.

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                        • #13
                          The media spin will be the Big Ten is down again this year.

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                          • #14
                            Wisconsin gets beaten by Marquette
                            Brust goes 1-6 from 3-pt, Gasser, Berggren, Taylor all shoot poorly...

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                            • #15
                              wow - Northwestern getting killed...
                              Baylor 61 - Northwestern 29 with only 6 minutes remaining

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