ISU basketball players charged with battery

[srw]

Imagine if this had been BU... PJStar would have a field day (if JL were still here?)... But it's ILSU, so it's par for the course.

wow you got that right....

the journal...out to get bradley.....

[buschsquirrel2011]

wow you got that right....

the journal...out to get bradley.....

Amen brother. If you read that really big, and informative Hoops section the Peoria Journal Star put out you would realize that paper is out to get Bradley. All you have to do is read it upside down, in the dark, with night vision goggles and you would have seen the true anti-BU sentiment written in there. Just have to know where to look for it.

[tornado]

bs - that Hoops segment had so much negative going back 10 years I almost puked --
The over-the-top drooling for the way things are now is stealth criticism for the way things have been for a decade -
even the half empty arenas, fans bit**ing about the extra game on the Hilltop, and lack of depth at the post, at PG, and no shooters...NONE
of that stuff even gets mentioned but stuff from earlier gets dwelt on......
Even the players still here get jabbed with "serial jaywalker", "lack of work ethic", "player without a position" criticisms..
it's all unfairly blamed on the wrong someone and I didn't need to hold the paper upside down to see it.

[Chico]

So far, the Pantagraph has a brief article about the players. When they have multiple editorials demanding harsher punishment, dragging out every indiscretion the ISU players have had in the past several years, calling for the coach to be fired, and using terms like "renegade program", then we can talk about the coverage being comparable.
But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. Even when Jank had a player guilty of criminal sexual assault of a minor the Pantagraph gave Jank a pass.

Not comparing. The original post had the Pantagraph's website posted to show it was reported. I didn't read the article so don't know, or care, if it was brief or not.

[buschsquirrel2011]

bs - that Hoops segment had so much negative going back 10 years I almost puked --
The over-the-top drooling for the way things are now is stealth criticism for the way things have been for a decade -
even the half empty arenas, fans bit**ing about the extra game on the Hilltop, and lack of depth at the post, at PG, and no shooters...NONE
of that stuff even gets mentioned but stuff from earlier gets dwelt on......
Even the players still here get jabbed with "serial jaywalker", "lack of work ethic", "player without a position" criticisms..
it's all unfairly blamed on the wrong someone and I didn't need to hold the paper upside down to see it.

Tornado--the same thing happened when Jim Les took over for Jim Molinari. Or when Jim Molinari took over for Stan Albeck. Or, at pretty much any college basketball program where one coach gets fired for lack of success and a new one is hired.

This isn't specific to any particular person nor is it an agenda versus any particular person. That is how sports works. Remember, guys get fired from jobs for a reason---usually because they don't win enough and fans are frustrated. Of course they are going to look at a new regime in a positive light and the old in a negative one.

Having optimism and making comparisons of the new vs. the old is about as old as sports itself. This isn't anything special or specific to Bradley, nor is it some kind of attack on anyone or anything.

I will say this, as Kirk Wessler tweeted, it is much easier for the Journal Star to do its job when it has better access to the coaches, players and staff with the Bradley basketball program. When there is a positive, working relationship fostered by an open coaching staff that would only naturally send positive vibes to the media. Doesn't that make sense?

Isn't it easier to do your job when you are allowed access and treated as a friend as opposed to when you are denied access and treated as the enemy?

[buschsquirrel2011]

So far, the Pantagraph has a brief article about the players. When they have multiple editorials demanding harsher punishment, dragging out every indiscretion the ISU players have had in the past several years, calling for the coach to be fired, and using terms like "renegade program", then we can talk about the coverage being comparable.
But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. Even when Jank had a player guilty of criminal sexual assault of a minor the Pantagraph gave Jank a pass.

I'm confused. Who is your issue with? The Pantagraph for not doing a good and thourough job of covering the ISU basketball team or with the Peoria Journal Star for doing a thourough job covering Bradley basketball both good and bad?

To me the Peoria Journal Star treats the BU program like a bigtime program should be treated--good and bad. That's how I like it.

[Chico]

Tornado--the same thing happened when Jim Les took over for Jim Molinari. Or when Jim Molinari took over for Stan Albeck. Or, at pretty much any college basketball program where one coach gets fired for lack of success and a new one is hired.

This isn't specific to any particular person nor is it an agenda versus any particular person. That is how sports works. Remember, guys get fired from jobs for a reason---usually because they don't win enough and fans are frustrated. Of course they are going to look at a new regime in a positive light and the old in a negative one.

Having optimism and making comparisons of the new vs. the old is about as old as sports itself. This isn't anything special or specific to Bradley, nor is it some kind of attack on anyone or anything.
I will say this, as Kirk Wessler tweeted, it is much easier for the Journal Star to do its job when it has better access to the coaches, players and staff with the Bradley basketball program. When there is a positive, working relationship fostered by an open coaching staff that would only naturally send positive vibes to the media. Doesn't that make sense?
Isn't it easier to do your job when you are allowed access and treated as a friend as opposed to when you are denied access and treated as the enemy?

Something's you bring on yourself. KW was anti Les from day 1.

[buschsquirrel2011]

Something's you bring on yourself. KW was anti Les from day 1.

Not true but whatever. Everyone has been down this road a million times. Jim Les isn't the coach here anymore so it's completely irrelevant.

[Chico]

Not true but whatever. Everyone has been down this road a million times. Jim Les isn't the coach here anymore so it's completely irrelevant.

I agree, but you don't have to mention his name to get your point across as you did.

[Samd2]

You Get what you recruit

I want to know when someone is going to notice that this goes all the way back to the recruiting.
This is one of the problems with most JUCO players. They did not meet the responsibilities and requirements while in high school.
Clue #1 that there is a problem with chararcter or background.
Having said that, many players mature while at a JUCO. But not all of them. Thats where the recruiting comes in, if you want a classy program, check more than stat lines and grades, actually find out what your getting as far as Character.
I would take a team of good players with class and character over a few thugs that are awsome on the court any day. When kids see BU players they have always looked up to them which is one more reason this is important.
I have been very proud of BU for the recruits we get and the amount of class they show. I know, there have been mistakes. But overall we have always had players with class, that says alot for the program. I believe that Geno will keep that going.
Let everyone else have the talent that comes with police headlines,
im done rambling now

[tornado]

Tornado--the same thing happened when Jim Les took over for Jim Molinari. ..

boy -- that's sure not how I remember it -- and I suspect you were around to know that...
the attacks on JL started well before he was even hired with numerous rips in the local paper about his lack of experience, his stockbroker background, how certain members of the board were unfairly ramming him thru and defying the common sense among Trustees, and glowing articles and slobbering praises on how a certain other candidate was superior and that BU was so wrong in going the direction they did..
Even one direct editorial slam on the JL supporters as racist and bigoted for believing he might be the better candidate..
If you want any of those columns LMK they are not hard to find...

Here's just a couple tiny quotes...
"..Dismantle. Disarm. Take their invective and spew it where it belongs: in their own laps.
It would be nice if they would apologize ...But that would require forfeiting the anonymity
of their Internet message boards ....cowards. ....

"Who do they think they are?
You think you know these people. Some are viewed as pillars of this community.
Some are movers, shakers; high rollers in the Bradley Chiefs Club... two-faced bigots.."

[Samd2]

nice response Tornado !!!!

[Da Coach]

Hmmm...so it looks like it was really the PJS that was the first to start lobbing wild accusations, and vicious insults at the good Bradley fans and message boarders. And yet there are still some who believe there was never any agenda...

[buschsquirrel2011]

boy -- that's sure not how I remember it -- and I suspect you were around to know that...

Suspect I was "around" to know that? Not sure what you mean by that but anyway. If you mean "around" as in Peoria then, no, I haven't lived there since 1998. Left there when it came time to actually have a real job

That said--I do remember it that way. People were frustrated with the Jim Molinari regime. Wanted a change. Got the change and were fired up for the Jim Les era to start. I remember all kinds of people totally fired up about Jim Les becoming the head coach. People loved his opening press conference.

They did the same when Molinari took over for Albeck. And they did the same when Geno Ford took over for Jim Les. This type of fan/media behavior isn't exactly a new thing. As I said earlier--it has been going on as long as sports have been going on.

Is this a surprise to anyone?

[tornado]

but you're ignoring what IS different...


Nobody trashed Mo or Geno when hired but many trashed JL when hired

Nobody continued for months & years to blame everything bad on Albeck or Mo when they left but so far there's an endless barrage of just that now regarding JL

When things didn't go well for Mo early on and when things don't go well now - people won't claim it's because we picked the wrong guy but that sure happened in 2002
By JL's 2nd year I started seeing people claim we needed to dump him & start over..

Anyone who didn't see the way JL was handled differently in the press than any other coach we've ever had is intentionally ignoring it or purposely aligned with the PJS and defending them