BU Beats UW-Parkside 87-77

[LittleBrave]

I am blasting the staff as I believe that they did a poor job last night against a bad Division II team! I sincerely hope that things improve! Finally, I hope that Geno proves that he is deserving to be among the highest paid coaches in the MVC. So far, I like the recruits he has brought here. But to date, he does not deserve to be among the upper pay scale tier for MVC coaches.

So just curious - where do you think BU will end up this year Beni?
Seems like you're gunning for top half.
I remember Geno stating that we're looking to try different combinations for the exhibition games, but we want to end up winning. I think he accomplished that, and every game we'll see steady improvement hopefully so we can get ready for the Valley wars.

My perception is we're right on track, and if nothing else, last game brought out that DS belongs on this team and that we have another option if WL struggles at the point. And that TB is not too far behind to where he needs to be (at least on offense).

At least coach didn't have to say, "It was a wake-up call."

[Old Coach]

Decent post tornado.

However, based on your last paragraph aren't there three types of fans:
1) the one who needs "stroked"
2) the one who wants entertained
3) the one who will be blindly loyal all the time

Can a fan be a little of all of them? To me, the fans who feel the need to give money and be close to the program can fall into category 1 (needing stroked) and also 3. A fan can also give money to a program but really, mostly for the entertainment value of it.

I think a program needs all three kinds of fans to thrive.

Hmmm... I'm trying to figure out just where I fit in. I commit a fair amount of money to the university in support of the men's basketball program. I'm a pretty loyal guy who expects to be entertained and appreciates the value that comes with my financial commitment. That being said, I believe that I'm quite reasonable in my expectations. When performance matches expectations, then it's a good year. When performance exceeds expectations, then it's a great year. When performance falls short of expectations then there's disappointment.

So which fan am I?

[buschsquirrel2011]

Hmmm... I'm trying to figure out just where I fit in. I commit a fair amount of money to the university in support of the men's basketball program. I'm a pretty loyal guy who expects to be entertained and appreciates the value that comes with my financial commitment. That being said, I believe that I'm quite reasonable in my expectations. When performance matches expectations, then it's a good year. When performance exceeds expectations, then it's a great year. When performance falls short of expectations then there's disappointment.

So which fan am I?

Umm, a normal one?

I agree with you. I'm pretty much like you. I spend some money and give some money. Like to be entertained. Like to win. Have certain expectations based on the situation of the program---its pretty simple really. One thing I am not is in the need to be stroked department. I could care less about that.

[LittleBrave]

Also, the 'types of fans' post is a BS in my opinion. I am not high on BU at all this season and do not think we will be very good, but I haven't reduced my donations at all and I just bought season tickets for the first time. Where do I fit? I don't think the types fit, nor do I see any reason to categorize fans into such buckets. I've never understoof the desire of some to call people 'good' fans and others 'bad' fans...

I believe Tornado said, "basically", which is a very general/loose categorization of fans. I agree with him that we often assess the student-atheletes as if they're someone else's kids, while some treat them as though they are like their own. And a fan's comments will be reflected that way.
If he wanted to get more specific, yeah, I'm sure T could split up fans into 10 different categories.
I think his main point was to give rationale for some fans reacting the way they do - am I right here?
Anyways, some of you are acting like you can't be a fan any longer just because you don't see yourself fitting exactly into the 2 types of fans.
I wouldn't take too much into it - I think the point was missed maybe.

[real fan]

Since you brought up last year's Quincy game, allow me to share my comments from the "Braves fall to Quincy 86-80" thread on this board from November 6! Look up my comments from that game. They can easily be found!

My comments from 11/6/2010
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INEXCUSABLE!

No TEAM concepts on the floor at all! Is it asking too much to go down the court and pass the ball and get movement on our sets and NOT PLAY STREETBALL!

Jake Eastman's defense tonight was abysmal!

AT is what I was afraid he is and that is a fill in player at best!

Note to Walter Lemon-- you are a slasher---no three balls until you completely rework your shot! WL has the potential to be a very good player for us!

After the red/white scrimmage I stated that Jordan Prosser should be in the starting lineup and tonight is further proof that JP is a starter!

Note to BU---please do not ask these ref's back for future events. I am not blaming the ref's for tonight's loss, but that has to be one of the worst officiating crews that I have ever seen.

Good night!

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So as you can clearly see, I have been very consistent with my comments about exhibition games regardless of the coaching staff! . For the record, I said numerous times on this board that I thought JL should return for one more year, but I could see the reasons for firing JL. I had no intentions of getting into a Geno vs JL pissing match, but you had to go there. I am blasting the staff as I believe that they did a poor job last night against a bad Division II team! I sincerely hope that things improve! Finally, I hope that Geno proves that he is deserving to be among the highest paid coaches in the MVC. So far, I like the recruits he has brought here. But to date, he does not deserve to be among the upper pay scale tier for MVC coaches.

I thought our offense did a good job overall in moving and screening , we were not standing around waiting for that one screen, remember the team has only been practicing for 2 weeks so you have to give them a chance at improving down the road, the only thing that can keep us from being consistent is our point guard play as Walt needs time to understand the things he needs to do in playing that position, our offensive rebounding was much better and our team defense was better in the 2nd half, I liked what I saw from the staff and expect to see better things ahead , next exb. game will be against a better team and give us an idea on what improvements we make as a team.

[Old Coach]

I believe Tornado said, "basically", which is a very general/loose categorization of fans. I agree with him that we often assess the student-atheletes as if they're someone else's kids, while some treat them as though they are like their own. And a fan's comments will be reflected that way.
If he wanted to get more specific, yeah, I'm sure T could split up fans into 10 different categories.
I think his main point was to give rationale for some fans reacting the way they do - am I right here?
Anyways, some of you are acting like you can't be a fan any longer just because you don't see yourself fitting exactly into the 2 types of fans.
I wouldn't take too much into it - I think the point was missed maybe.

I fully support my kid in all of his athletic and academic ventures, but what I don't do is over-inflate his true athletic ability or intelligence.

[buschsquirrel2011]

I believe Tornado said, "basically", which is a very general/loose categorization of fans. I agree with him that we often assess the student-atheletes as if they're someone else's kids, while some treat them as though they are like their own. And a fan's comments will be reflected that way.
If he wanted to get more specific, yeah, I'm sure T could split up fans into 10 different categories.
I think his main point was to give rationale for some fans reacting the way they do - am I right here?
Anyways, some of you are acting like you can't be a fan any longer just because you don't see yourself fitting exactly into the 2 types of fans.
I wouldn't take too much into it - I think the point was missed maybe.

Its ok LittleBrave. My fandom isn't determined by someone else. It's determined by me.

[Old Coach]

Its ok LittleBrave. My fandom isn't determined by someone else. It's determined by me.

Well put squirrel.

[Beninator]

I'm sure that you're familiar with the phrase, "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken $#!^."

So just curious - where do you think BU will end up this year Beni?
Seems like you're gunning for top half.
I remember Geno stating that we're looking to try different combinations for the exhibition games, but we want to end up winning. I think he accomplished that, and every game we'll see steady improvement hopefully so we can get ready for the Valley wars.

My perception is we're right on track, and if nothing else, last game brought out that DS belongs on this team and that we have another option if WL struggles at the point. And that TB is not too far behind to where he needs to be (at least on offense).

At least coach didn't have to say, "It was a wake-up call."

At least coach didn't have to say, "It was a wake-up call."[/QUOTE]



Just keeping it real here fellas...

Re: Where do I expect us to finish? Anywhere from sixth to tenth place in the MVC.

I have mentioned this in previous posts that I am not expecting miracles this year. As for last Tuesday, I wanted our coach to try new combinations and he did.. Most coaches do this in these games anyway. I expected to see mistakes on the floor. But, I did not expect to see the team look completely lost for long periods of time. Our guys had no clue as to what to do on the floor and I hang that on the staff! Remember, Geno stated that he had been working exclusively with the team for the past two weeks and didn't bother with scouting. --and I don't knock him for not scouting Parkside--

As for the fan conversation here, I think that teams from all levels of sport need to be inclusive. We should be looking to reach out to the big donors, alumni, local residents, and the students.

[Beninator]

I thought our offense did a good job overall in moving and screening , we were not standing around waiting for that one screen, remember the team has only been practicing for 2 weeks so you have to give them a chance at improving down the road, the only thing that can keep us from being consistent is our point guard play as Walt needs time to understand the things he needs to do in playing that position, our offensive rebounding was much better and our team defense was better in the 2nd half, I liked what I saw from the staff and expect to see better things ahead , next exb. game will be against a better team and give us an idea on what improvements we make as a team.

We disagree on some things, but I can not see a reason to put Walt as our point guard this year. Walt's contributions to the team are far greater at the 2 guard.

[basketball nut]

So just curious - where do you think BU will end up this year Beni?
Seems like you're gunning for top half.
I remember Geno stating that we're looking to try different combinations for the exhibition games, but we want to end up winning. I think he accomplished that, and every game we'll see steady improvement hopefully so we can get ready for the Valley wars.

My perception is we're right on track, and if nothing else, last game brought out that DS belongs on this team and that we have another option if WL struggles at the point. And that TB is not too far behind to where he needs to be (at least on offense).

At least coach didn't have to say, "It was a wake-up call."

Great post LB-GF stated he wanted to try different combinations to see what works. Someone asked me yesterday what I thought and told him that they tried several different offensive schemes including using JP up top along w/ several different combos of players.
To say they didn't look good would be very difficult for me to say in light of that.
I might be inclined to agree if he used a 7-8 man rotation and played only his basic offense (which I am not sure he has only 1 basic) and we struggled but he didn't.
In fact someone might be able to help me but how many different combinations of players did he use-I think it was close to 7 but honestly can't remember all of them

[amckillip]

n fact someone might be able to help me but how many different combinations of players did he use-I think it was close to 7 but honestly can't remember all of them

I would be shocked if it was only seven, I would even be surprised if it wasn't mid double digits.

[Beninator]

I would be shocked if it was only seven, I would even be surprised if it wasn't mid double digits.

Didn't we have a Charoon Woods sighting?

[tornado]

Decent post tornado.

However, based on your last paragraph aren't there three types of fans:
1) the one who needs "stroked"
2) the one who wants entertained
3) the one who will be blindly loyal all the time

Can a fan be a little of all of them? To me, the fans who feel the need to give money and be close to the program can fall into category 1 (needing stroked) and also 3. A fan can also give money to a program but really, mostly for the entertainment value of it.

I think a program needs all three kinds of fans to thrive.

I can see the mis-reading of my post has begun....
...so to answer....no -- I think the guys who want to receive proper entertainment or get stroked are one and the same....varying to degree..

..and a fan can be Type 1 or Type 2 and may switch back & forth freely from time to time but the would be mutually exclusive in regards to any individual team...
For example -- I am Type 2 concerning BU but I am Type 1 concerning the Chicago Bears...thus the Bears had better be playing well or I doubt I am gonna follow -- just don't have the time to waste there unless it "strokes" my fancy..
BUT I am there thick or thin and have proven it when it comes to the Braves...

Teams want both types of fans and there's nothing wrong with either type - but they differ and nobody will convince me that they are one and the same.

I really see, maybe, one person who is saying anything negative about Geno, and even then that person isn't being unreasonable. ?

Tornado, I ask the same of you?......

ask what?? I am only marginally involved in any talk of what Beninator is saying - so is it possible you might be attributing something to me that I have not said??
I have defined nobody as bad...and yet I have already seen several posts that are a bit critical of Geno, the team, style of play, and a few other factors...
BUT nothing yet is so far out of bounds - as I have always done - I allow people to form their own opinions and I hope others allow me the same privilege.

[Beninator]

ask what?? I am only marginally involved in any talk of what Beninator is saying - so is it possible you might be attributing something to me that I have not said??
I have defined nobody as bad...and yet I have already seen several posts that are a bit critical of Geno, the team, style of play, and a few other factors...
BUT nothing yet is so far out of bounds - as I have always done - I allow people to form their own opinions and I hope others allow me the same privilege.

FWI T, I haven't seen anything that you have posted as being derogatory or attributed to me in any way in this thread. We probably have different opinions from last Tuesday and I am fine with that as should everyone on the board.