Bradley Picked Last in Preseason Poll

[buschsquirrel2011]

And what do you mean, the league is a lot better? using what criteria???

For me its the talent on the floor. The level of talent in the MVC will be better this year than it was 3, 4, or 5 years ago.

[cpacmel]

I actually find myself agreeing with you cpacmel...

You should have waited til Friday to make that post.

Seems only right that after all these years (how many has it been?) that you finally agree with me on something, that it should have taken place on 11/11/11.

The world can officially end now.

[cpacmel]

I agree with SRW. Jank had a guy in Osiris and never made the NCAA's. His schedule was an abolute joke to his team and the MVC. He finished 9th and is picked again towards the bottom. When the league was down he didn't capitalize. Now the league is a lot better and he isn't where he was.

Plenty of great players have never made the NCAA's though.

I am not sure how you can say the league is a lot better. Nor how can you say he (jank) isn't where he was. No one has played a single game yet.

Projections and polls are fun to talk about. But neither are 100% accurate.

[buschsquirrel2011]

Plenty of great players have never made the NCAA's though.

I am not sure how you can say the league is a lot better. Nor how can you say he (jank) isn't where he was. No one has played a single game yet.

Projections and polls are fun to talk about. But neither are 100% accurate.

Of course a lot of great players don't make the NCAA's...calling Osiris a "great player" would be a stretch

I just think that if I were an ISU fan I would feel less than satisfied with the Osiris era at ISU. You obviously feel differently. No biggie.

Do you think the overall talent on the floor is better and trending up in the MVC compared to the last few seasons?

[LittleBrave]

Do you think the overall talent on the floor is better and trending up in the MVC compared to the last few seasons?

I believe so - this season will tell a lot about where we're headed with young talent. The new faces last year brought hope to the MVC. We need that to happen again this year.

[cpacmel]

Of course a lot of great players don't make the NCAA's...calling Osiris a "great player" would be a stretch

You don't think a guy that first team All MVC 3 of his 4 years is great? His freshman year he was Freshman of the Year. He has also won the defensive player of the year in the MVC and he was voted most outstanding player in tourney, despite not winning the title.

I just think that if I were an ISU fan I would feel less than satisfied with the Osiris era at ISU. You obviously feel differently. No biggie.

I have a feeling if roles were reversed and he had done the same thing at Bradley, your feeling might be alittle different. Your right, no biggie.

Do you think the overall talent on the floor is better and trending up in the MVC compared to the last few seasons?

Be nice to see some games before making such a proclaimation.

This year's preseason all MVC is Odum, McDermott, Murry, Ryan and Weems. With the next 5 being: Gregory Echenique, Creighton; Anthony James, UNI; Rayvonte Rice, Drake; Mamadou Seck, Southern Illinois; Antoine Young, Creighton..

5 years ago the top 10 was Falker, Funk, Ahearn, Tatum, Tolliver, Coleman, Stout, Will Franklin, Dan Ruffin, Matt Webster.

2 years ago the top 10 was Eldridge, Hannah, Koch, Dinma O, Josh Young, Marshall, Weems, Sam M, Lawson, and Egelseder.

[tornado]

Osiris was never as productive as I thought he'd be -- he took an awful lot of shots just to get his 14 points per game..and maybe hurt the team at time by gunning...

Taylor, however, if he stays healthy and on the court can give so much more --scoring, rebounding, and a little defense as well - and in the Parkside game I actually was surprised he got 25 pts as he didn't take a lot of shots (only 11)
I'd have to wonder if there was ever a game Osiris ever took as few as only 11 shots!

[shaunguth]

This year's preseason all MVC is Odum, McDermott, Murry, Ryan and Weems. With the next 5 being: Gregory Echenique, Creighton; Anthony James, UNI; Rayvonte Rice, Drake; Mamadou Seck, Southern Illinois; Antoine Young, Creighton..

5 years ago the top 10 was Falker, Funk, Ahearn, Tatum, Tolliver, Coleman, Stout, Will Franklin, Dan Ruffin, Matt Webster.

2 years ago the top 10 was Eldridge, Hannah, Koch, Dinma O, Josh Young, Marshall, Weems, Sam M, Lawson, and Egelseder.

Sure I may be a little biased, but if neither DSE nor TB are among the top ten players in the conference there must be a lot of talent this season. Again, I've been known to be on the wrong side of an opinion.

[TheGuy]

I think it was pointed out at valley media day that winning valley teams are usually loaded with Sr's on them, but we are seeing a bunch of young talent come forward. CPAC might have been eluding to this in his post, but it could mean one of two things. Either a) our senior class is really bad and younger players are being picked for 1st and 2nd teams or b) the young talent that is being brought in is really that good. After watching some of these guys last year, I would like to think that the young talent really is that good which means the valley is trending upward and should continue to be good over the next few years.

[buschsquirrel2011]

I have a feeling if roles were reversed and he had done the same thing at Bradley, your feeling might be alittle different. Your right, no biggie.

Every time Bradley has had a player like Osiris for four years it has made the NCAA Tournament and that should be the expectation. They also won the conference title with a player like that. ISU did neither with Osiris--they did so with Rico Hill.

Expectations are different for you then. That's fine. I think Jank really wanted to schedule soft, win a bunch, and get out of ISU as fast as possible. Unfortunately by not winning a league title and never getting to the NCAA his star has dimmed and his time has passed.

I think he played his cards a certain way and lost.

[cpacmel]

Every time Bradley has had a player like Osiris for four years it has made the NCAA Tournament and that should be the expectation. They also won the conference title with a player like that. ISU did neither with Osiris--they did so with Rico Hill.

Who was the last Bradley player to have similar accolades than Eldridge? And I mean Modern era. So let's keep it after the shot clock and three point line please.

Expectations are different for you then. That's fine. I think Jank really wanted to schedule soft, win a bunch, and get out of ISU as fast as possible. Unfortunately by not winning a league title and never getting to the NCAA his star has dimmed and his time has passed.

As an outsider I can see why you would think such a thing. As someone who is much closer to the program, I can't tell you how very wrong you are here.

I think he played his cards a certain way and lost.

Well if loseing is finishing in the top 3 for 75% of his tenure. Okay.

[buschsquirrel2011]

Who was the last Bradley player to have similar accolades than Eldridge? And I mean Modern era. So let's keep it after the shot clock and three point line please.


As an outsider I can see why you would think such a thing. As someone who is much closer to the program, I can't tell you how very wrong you are here.



Well if loseing is finishing in the top 3 for 75% of his tenure. Okay.

When I mean LOST for Jank I mean the fact he didn't get out of ISU. Do you think he still thought he would be the head coach at ISU at this stage of his career or that he would have moved on to a "higher" level? I am not talking about what ISU fans think of him--I am talking about how he is viewed outside of B/N.

He isn't a "hot commodity" in coaching. He wanted to be. He wanted to get a bunch of wins and get out and move on. It didn't work out that way.

Sadly Bradley hasn't had a lot of really great players and hasn't won a league championship since the late 90's However, they did so when they had Anthony Parker, Hersey Hawkins and Jim Les.

Again, I would have expected more from the Osiris era.

[cpacmel]

When I mean LOST for Jank I mean the fact he didn't get out of ISU. Do you think he still thought he would be the head coach at ISU at this stage of his career or that he would have moved on to a "higher" level? I am not talking about what ISU fans think of him--I am talking about how he is viewed outside of B/N.

He isn't a "hot commodity" in coaching. He wanted to be. He wanted to get a bunch of wins and get out and move on. It didn't work out that way.

Where has he EVER said that he wanted to the "Hot Commodity" in coaching?

Where did he EVER say that he wanted to move on to a "higher" level?

What conversations have you had with him, regarding his coaching future?

How does the saying go? When you ASSume things, you end up making a blank of yourself.

You do understand that there are coaches that are plenty happy at the level where they are, right? Altman was in Omaha for 16 years. Your Boy Larranaga was at Mason for what 15 years? Jim Les was at Bradley for what 9 years? You don't think he would have stayed in Peoria for as long as they would have had him?

I think the signing of Anthony Beane this winter is future proof that Coach Jankovich intends to stay in Normal for awhile.

[Da Coach]

It's just not reasonable, IMO, that any coach except maybe someone with strong past ties to ISU, would consider the ISU job a "destination job".

[buschsquirrel2011]

Where has he EVER said that he wanted to the "Hot Commodity" in coaching?

Where did he EVER say that he wanted to move on to a "higher" level?

What conversations have you had with him, regarding his coaching future?

How does the saying go? When you ASSume things, you end up making a blank of yourself.

You do understand that there are coaches that are plenty happy at the level where they are, right? Altman was in Omaha for 16 years. Your Boy Larranaga was at Mason for what 15 years? Jim Les was at Bradley for what 9 years? You don't think he would have stayed in Peoria for as long as they would have had him?

I think the signing of Anthony Beane this winter is future proof that Coach Jankovich intends to stay in Normal for awhile.

Larranaga isn't "my boy". And if you really think ISU is where Coach Jank thought he would be at this stage of his career then I have a few more gallons of ISU Red Koolaid for you to chug down

Of course no coach says those things publicly (wanting to move on, get a better job, etc.)...come on, you know better than that.

Almost all coaches are looking for upgrades, more money, etc. I don't blame any of them for doing so. That's why so many of them need to strike when the iron is hot.