Article about Sam Maniscalco

[afan]

the enemy

They are not an enemy if they leave employment. They are the enemy if they leave employment and go to work for a competitor. And you actually believe that SM left Bradley just to pursue a course not avaliable at Bradley. He bailed on his team mates because he was mad with the administration because they fired jim Les. I was mad too but I didn't bail on Bradley. Don't manufacture a story that doesn't exist.

[Braves4Life]

he also graduated from Bradley then wanted to pursue a post-grad curriculum that BU did not have - all according to NCAA rules...so in effect he put his academics ahead of athletics.

I think the "enemy" reference is being made about Illinois, not Sammy.

[tornado]

interesting that you hurl this at anyone you disagree with..
"Don't manufacture a story that doesn't exist. .."

yet that's precisely what you do -- you cannot know what was going thru Sammy's mind so you just presume something and go with it..

then - you appear to refute what is obviously true...
"SM left Bradley just to pursue a course not avaliable at Bradley"

Whether you like it or not, what I said is 100% true..
-Fact- Sammy did graduate
-Fact- Sammy did choose a curriculum and course of study for post-grad that is not available at Bradley
-and Fact - were the above two facts not true he would not have been allowed eligibility at U of I

[lefty]

interesting that you hurl this at anyone you disagree with..
"Don't manufacture a story that doesn't exist. .."

yet that's precisely what you do -- you cannot know what was going thru Sammy's mind so you just presume something and go with it..

then - you appear to refute what is obviously true...
"SM left Bradley just to pursue a course not avaliable at Bradley"

Whether you like it or not, what I said is 100% true..
-Fact- Sammy did graduate
-Fact- Sammy did choose a curriculum and course of study for post-grad that is not available at Bradley
-and Fact - were the above two facts not true he would not have been allowed eligibility at U of I

but he's not going to Illinois if JL is still coaching....so you choose a curriculum BU doesn't offer.....I don't have a problem with that if that's what SM wants to do. I hope he does well there...

[ph]

Honest question, do you treat any employee who leaves your company as an enemy? I personally don't, as I've left companies before, and my former co-workers don't wish me ill.

Interesting point. A while ago, I heard Accenture called it's ex employees "alumni" and actively communicated / marketed to their "alumi" base, thinking the alumni would be more likely to hire Accenture if a consultant were needed in the future. In contast, some other consulting firms (like EMC?) Attempted to do everything they could to keep employees from departing, and would not want anything to do with ex-employees.

[Interested Observer]

he also graduated from Bradley then wanted to pursue a post-grad curriculum that BU did not have - all according to NCAA rules...so in effect he put his academics ahead of athletics.

And Russell Wilson chose Wisconsin for the exact same reason. Right. No, Wilson chose Wisconsin because the NC St. coach forced him to make a decision between baseball and football. Sam chose to leave Bradley because Les is no longer here. It was just convenient Illinois had a grad program BU didn't offer.

From that article, it doesn't sound Sam will help Illinois as much as he and Weber thought. He better be putting the academic side ahead of the athletics.

[shaunguth]

he also graduated from Bradley then wanted to pursue a post-grad curriculum that BU did not have - all according to NCAA rules...so in effect he put his academics ahead of athletics.

My thoughts exactly! I love how some people label Sammy a traitor after he graduated!

[shaunguth]

He bailed on his team mates because he was mad with the administration because they fired jim Les.

Funny how they still enjoy visiting each other in their free time.

[shaunguth]

Sam chose to leave Bradley because Les is no longer here.

If that's true, why is he seemingly not allowed to continue his education since he has graduated from Bradley? I guess coaches are allowed to not finish their contract willingly or otherwise, but players aren't allowed to do the same, especially AFTER they have graduated and given four years to the school?

[Bravesfan]

If that's true, why is he seemingly not allowed to continue his education since he has graduated from Bradley? I guess coaches are allowed to not finish their contract willingly or otherwise, but players aren't allowed to do the same, especially AFTER they have graduated and given four years to the school?

I couldn't agree more! I wish him luck in his final year of college, and hope his recovery isn't as long as it may be. It probably would not have made much difference if he stuck around at Bradley this year as his playing time may be limited.

[SFP]

I have nothing but good will for SM so let's get that out of the way. Illinois on the other hand? I hope they are just average which will can only help BU's in-state recruiting a bit easier.

Let's not twist anyone's message. I've been very consistent about my sentiments of SM.

Yes, Future Walk On anyone that goes and works for the competition becomes a work enemy. It does not mean I do not like the person anymore it just means we will compete against each other.

[Interested Observer]

If that's true, why is he seemingly not allowed to continue his education since he has graduated from Bradley? I guess coaches are allowed to not finish their contract willingly or otherwise, but players aren't allowed to do the same, especially AFTER they have graduated and given four years to the school?

Never said he wasn't allowed to continue his education. Just saying it's disingenuous to say the reason he isn't finishing his career where he started is all due to educational opportunities Illinois has that Bradley doesn't.

Question to those that fully support Sam's decision to transfer and the reason given for that transfer: Would Sam still have taken advatage of the transfer rule is Les remained as coach?

My guess is that the use of this transfer rule isn't exactly being used because of educational purposes. The three that I can recall (Sam, Wilson, and Kevin Kruger from ASU to UNLV) all had extenuating circumstances behind the move besides the "educational" opportunity.

[shaunguth]

Question to those that fully support Sam's decision to transfer and the reason given for that transfer: Would Sam still have taken advatage of the transfer rule is Les remained as coach?

I'm sure Sam could answer that question much better than I can. I'm guessing probably not, but doesn't he have every right to do so without being called a traitor, being told to "break a leg", being told to get another coach fired, and I'm sure much more!

We're talking about the man that recruited him how many years ago being fired in a way Sam may not have agreed with. We're talking about someone that gave Bradley University four years and graduated! I really don't see what the big deal is with wishing him luck. Am I more of an Illinois fan than I was before....NO. Will I be more interested in watching them this season....YES.....if Sam is getting playing time.

[tornado]

....The three that I can recall (Sam, Wilson, and Kevin Kruger from ASU to UNLV) all had extenuating circumstances behind the move besides the "educational" opportunity.

Missouri State has Mike Bizoukas who transferred from DePaul...and he'll probably be a starter..and a certain Hoosier might use the rule at the end of this season

And anyway - if anyone should be the final answer as to whether SM is judged to be a traitor - wouldn't it be his own teammates who he has transferred from?

[lefty]

I guess anyone should be able to make their own claim but the others don't have to agree.
I don't think of Sam as a traitor at all. He didn't like what happened so he left...and he did it right and that's his perrogative.....