Which Valley coaches are on the hot seat?

[electricmayhem]

I'm curious as to whether you guys think C-Lo and/or Jank will be gone after this season... here's my latest take on that...

http://www.examiner.com/missouri-valley-basketball-in-national/which-valley-coaches-are-on-the-hot-seat

I didn't rank G-Fo or P-Lu (sorry...) due to their newness, but the others are all piled into that article.

Thoughts?

[tornado]

Funny how you talk of how secure Marty Simmons is...the guy has never finished better than tied for 5th and has a couple deep 10th place finishes...

He's 51-72 (23-49 in MVC never a .500+ season) after four years - JL was 62-60 in precisely the same time span, and had been to the NCAA and the Sweet Sixteen -
If Marty has a bad year and there aren't cries for a new coach, then Aces fans must love losing...
Janks destiny will hinge on just two games, and if BU sweeps them both, Jank will be gone because those are always the only two games ISU fans care about

[BUFanatic]

Jank will go. Why? Cos BU got a new coach to have a revival, so ISU has to follow naturally

[DUBulldog]

If the administration blames the recent problems on Phelps, they might buy out the final year of his contract following the season and start over.

Nobody on the Drake board knows what Phelps' contract situation is....where do you get your information that there is one year left on his contract?

I would say that Phelps' seat is considerably hotter than where you list him. Unlike previous recent Drake coaches who have inherited teams that finished near the bottom of the MVC for multiple years, Phelps inherited a 28-5 squad with 2 all-conference performers returning, and hasn't avoided Thursday night in St Louis yet. I don't know how Drake's admin feels, but the fans seem to think that this is the year that Phelps must do something.....and that injuries, suspensions, etc are just an excuse.

[electricmayhem]

Nobody on the Drake board knows what Phelps' contract situation is....where do you get your information that there is one year left on his contract?

I would say that Phelps' seat is considerably hotter than where you list him. Unlike previous recent Drake coaches who have inherited teams that finished near the bottom of the MVC for multiple years, Phelps inherited a 28-5 squad with 2 all-conference performers returning, and hasn't avoided Thursday night in St Louis yet. I don't know how Drake's admin feels, but the fans seem to think that this is the year that Phelps must do something.....and that injuries, suspensions, etc are just an excuse.

I just think Phelps will be allowed to finish out his contract. To my knowledge, he signed a 5-year contract at the onset, and this is year four for him.

I think everyone agrees that he's a solid recruiter, but he hasn't proven his worth as a game coach yet.

[electricmayhem]

Funny how you talk of how secure Marty Simmons is...the guy has never finished better than tied for 5th and has a couple deep 10th place finishes...

He's 51-72 (23-49 in MVC never a .500+ season) after four years - JL was 62-60 in precisely the same time span, and had been to the NCAA and the Sweet Sixteen -
If Marty has a bad year and there aren't cries for a new coach, then Aces fans must love losing...
Janks destiny will hinge on just two games, and if BU sweeps them both, Jank will be gone because those are always the only two games ISU fans care about

T - you know I love this board, but I'm not going to respond to your posts any more, and I probably won't post here at all much longer. I'm 100% tired of every post going back to JL and what he did or did not accomplish. This article has nothing to do with JL. Nothing. I'm done with it.

[tornado]

never said it did -- I mentioned JL only for comparison of record to show how bad MS has done in his four years there.

..here's the same comparison to Porter Moser at ISU in his four years that got him canned..
Moser was 51-67 and didn't get a 5th year

[DUBulldog]

I just think Phelps will be allowed to finish out his contract. To my knowledge, he signed a 5-year contract at the onset, and this is year four for him.

Right.....and that's what I'm asking about. Nobody outside of Phelps and the Drake admin seems to know how long his contract is. So, I'm asking.....do you know that he signed a 5-year contract, or is this just an assumption?

I guess since you said "to my knowledge" that you must have something concrete to base it on. I'd just like to know. If there is info out there detailing the length of Phelps' contract, folks on the Drake board would be very interested in knowing the details.

Bottom line.....can you lead me to a link that says Phelps' contract is/was 5 years?

[tornado]

Here's a story on how buyouts are very costly and getting tougher on schools - it mentions someone we know...

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/local/central/pricetag-for-buyouts-hefty

[Bravesfan]

Funny how you talk of how secure Marty Simmons is...the guy has never finished better than tied for 5th and has a couple deep 10th place finishes...

He's 51-72 (23-49 in MVC never a .500+ season) after four years - JL was 62-60 in precisely the same time span, and had been to the NCAA and the Sweet Sixteen -
If Marty has a bad year and there aren't cries for a new coach, then Aces fans must love losing...
Janks destiny will hinge on just two games, and if BU sweeps them both, Jank will be gone because those are always the only two games ISU fans care about

I'm guessing that Evansville has been so bad for so long that a CBI/CIT appearance is considered a great season for them. I think the first step for a constant losing program is to become competitive, and Marty has definitely succeeded on that front. However, I do agree that eventually he will need to lead Evansville to at least the NIT sooner than later or he might find himself on the hot seat pretty quickly.

This is similar to Bill Carmody at Northwestern. Sure he's the "winningest" coach in Northwestern basketball history, but with 160 wins in 11 seasons, and an overall record of 160-176, how much longer do you give this guy to move Northwestern up to the next level? Granted he has had three consectutive NIT appearances, but just one fifth place finish! And that was in a weak year in the Big Ten with only four teams finishing above .500 and Northwestern finishing under .500 overall! Not good.

[brocks]

electric ... that's a well-written piece and a fun read. Thanks for posting your link.

[electricmayhem]

Right.....and that's what I'm asking about. Nobody outside of Phelps and the Drake admin seems to know how long his contract is. So, I'm asking.....do you know that he signed a 5-year contract, or is this just an assumption?

I guess since you said "to my knowledge" that you must have something concrete to base it on. I'd just like to know. If there is info out there detailing the length of Phelps' contract, folks on the Drake board would be very interested in knowing the details.

Bottom line.....can you lead me to a link that says Phelps' contract is/was 5 years?

I don't have a link. I was digging through my files from back in the day and couldn't find anything. I just had it on my brain that his was a 5-year contract.

I suppose I should change the article because I don't have a cold, hard factual statement on the length of his contract. I imagine if it was three years, he wouldn't have been renewed, and most schools don't sign for four years.

[DUBulldog]

I don't have a link. I was digging through my files from back in the day and couldn't find anything. I just had it on my brain that his was a 5-year contract.

I suppose I should change the article because I don't have a cold, hard factual statement on the length of his contract. I imagine if it was three years, he wouldn't have been renewed, and most schools don't sign for four years.

Thanks for checking....I was actually hoping that you had some definitive info.

Liked the article, but as mentioned earlier, I think Phelps is probably at the same level as Jank as far as how hot their seat is.

[cpacmel]

This is similar to Bill Carmody at Northwestern. Sure he's the "winningest" coach in Northwestern basketball history, but with 160 wins in 11 seasons, and an overall record of 160-176, how much longer do you give this guy to move Northwestern up to the next level?

I actually don't think he is the "winningest" coach in Northwestern basketball history. He is like 75 wins behind the top guy at Northwestern.