Conference Realignment... AGAIN

[TheAsianSensation]

Desperate men are beginning to do desperate things.

http://www.baylor.edu/nation/texasfootball.htm

Baylor is doing everything, and I mean everything, to stop it all. Rescinding their refusal to sue the SEC over taking A&M, in an attempt to stop it from happening. This campaign to keep the other Texas schools out of a Pac-16.

[TheGuy]

Desperate men are beginning to do desperate things.

http://www.baylor.edu/nation/texasfootball.htm

Baylor is doing everything, and I mean everything, to stop it all. Rescinding their refusal to sue the SEC over taking A&M, in an attempt to stop it from happening. This campaign to keep the other Texas schools out of a Pac-16.

They must see the writing on the wall and realize they are doomed if the Big 12 breaks up as they cannot stand alone and would most likely end up a member of CUSA after the fallout.

[BUFanatic]

A&M Jumped to the SEC tonight.

[Bravesfan]

HEY! I can dream can't I? KU hasn't done well in football, that's the only reason I mention it.

Oh, of course. Just kidding around with you BU. I like to dream the Valley might get certain teams here (Butler comes to mind). And considering much of the current Big 12 or whatever they are called these days were members of the Valley back in the day. So you never know what might happen in the future.

[Bravesfan]

A&M Jumped to the SEC tonight.

Well, here comes that Baylor/Texas Tech Big "whatever is left of" 12 championship in the Spring!

[jrish12]

I have a strong feeling that there are eventually going to be 4 16 team super conferences, making 64 schools. Sound like a familiar number? The 4 super conferences will then secede from the NCAA and create their own system and rules.

Just for funs sake here is how it would shake out IMO geographically(mind you, I just threw this together with pretty much no thought ) Also, these are schools that have BCS football, hence why Nova, Georgetown, etc. are left out.

West
Cal
Stanford
USC
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon
Oregon st.
Arizona
Arizona St.
UCLA
Colorado
Utah(already in Pac 12 dont see them leaving)
Texas A&M
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.

Central
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Purdue
Missouri
Michigan
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Minnesota
Baylor
Nebraska
Indiana
Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
TCU

East
UConn
Syracuse
Pitt
Penn St.
Cincy
WV
Maryland
VT
Virginia
Clemson
Notre Dame
BC
Louisville
Wake
NC State
Rutgers

Southeast
Florida
Florida St.
Miami
LSU
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
UNC
Duke
South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee

[BUFanatic]

Well, here comes that Baylor/Texas Tech Big "whatever is left of" 12 championship in the Spring!

Big XII blocks the move:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move

[BUFanatic]

BYU is now rumored to be the 10th (or 9th) team.

[TheAsianSensation]

Honestly, to me, it's anyone's guess on the timetable at this point.

It seems like Oklahoma is the pivot point now. They're making it sound like they have a standing invitation to make the Pac-12 a Pac-14. And if they go, Texas' hand is forced.

[Da Coach]

I just don't see Oklahoma switching from the Big XII to the Pac 12. How is that a step up for Oklahoma, and how does that benefit them? That seems like a lateral move or even a step down for football and basketball. It would involve an extreme amount of travel for all their conference sports. It would spread them out over 3 time zones, and mean that many road events would be televised back to Oklahoma so late that a lot of fans would not see them. It would remove them from all their natural geographic rivals in every sport. And I don't think it brings in more TV money. Maybe they are using such an offer as leverage to benefit them in some other way, such as getting Texas to share more of their TV money, or attracting an SEC offer, but it seems unlikely to me that Oklahome would switch to the Pac 12.

[TheAsianSensation]

I just don't see Oklahoma switching from the Big XII to the Pac 12. How is that a step up for Oklahoma, and how does that benefit them? That seems like a lateral move or even a step down for football and basketball. It would involve an extreme amount of travel for all their conference sports. It would spread them out over 3 time zones, and mean that many road events would be televised back to Oklahoma so late that a lot of fans would not see them. It would remove them from all their natural geographic rivals in every sport. And I don't think it brings in more TV money. Maybe they are using such an offer as leverage to benefit them in some other way, such as getting Texas to share more of their TV money, or attracting an SEC offer, but it seems unlikely to me that Oklahome would switch to the Pac 12.

It's probably a lateral move for the individual programs (football, basketball).

To me, I think Oklahoma is banking on the Texas schools having to follow their lead. They could then be in an eastern division with:
Colorado
Utah
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Arizona
Arizona St

which actually isn't as bad as you make it sound as far as time difference. For football, they'd only have 1 or 2 pure west coast games, at west coast times, for the season. But they better be sure Texas, Texas Tech and OSU are coming along (OSU is a lock, obviously).

OU is planning their own network, I think they think it would fit perfectly within the Pac-12's TV plan. Also, if Oklahoma stays put, there's still the chance other schools leave first, then OU has to go to the Pac-12 anyways. OU staying in the Big 12 would require them to make a long-term committment to a conference where other members can leave and mess everything up. I think OU wants to control its destiny, and even if it feels the Pac-12 is a lateral move, it's better than other Big 12 schools leaving and then having no place to go.

And make no mistake, there's a LOT of ego in play right now too. OU is making a pure power play, but there's a good logical plan behind it.

[TheAsianSensation]

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2011/09/07/big-12-football-baylor-ultimatum-could-backfire/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The Big 12 is done. No matter who goes where, there's a split coming, because no one trusts anyone anymore.

[45otseoj]

Yeah, IMO. They're one of the better in the Valley, then again, I don't really follow the Valley for football XD

Obviously

10: 4-4 (3)
09: 4-4 (5)
08: 3-5 (6)
07: 2-4 (5)
06: 1-6 (7)
05: 2-5 (7)
04: 3-4 (4)
03: 1-6 (7)
02: 1-6 (8 )
01: 3-4 (5)
00: 2-4 (5)
99: 2-4 (4)
98: 3-3 (3)
97: 3-3 (4)
96: 3-2 (2)
95: 1-5 (7)
94: 2-4 (5)
93: 4-2 (2)
92: 4-2 (2)
91: 3-3 (4)

[BUFanatic]

Obviously

10: 4-4 (3)
09: 4-4 (5)
08: 3-5 (6)
07: 2-4 (5)
06: 1-6 (7)
05: 2-5 (7)
04: 3-4 (4)
03: 1-6 (7)
02: 1-6 (8 )
01: 3-4 (5)
00: 2-4 (5)
99: 2-4 (4)
98: 3-3 (3)
97: 3-3 (4)
96: 3-2 (2)
95: 1-5 (7)
94: 2-4 (5)
93: 4-2 (2)
92: 4-2 (2)
91: 3-3 (4)

Well, I have been chumpified. hahahaha you learn something every day. I guess you can't judge a team by the size of their stadium lolz

[Bravesfan]

I have a strong feeling that there are eventually going to be 4 16 team super conferences, making 64 schools. Sound like a familiar number? The 4 super conferences will then secede from the NCAA and create their own system and rules.

Well this is exactly what Boers and Bernstein were talking about on the Score in Chicago a few weeks ago. And this is what led Boers to his snide remarks about no one wanting to see a Wichita St. or Bradley playing in a lower level tournament!

The only time Bradley gets a mention on that station outside of the occasional mention by Les Grobstein, and it's in this negative context! Oh well. I guess a negative remark against our team is better than no mention about them at all.