Kirk Wessler on the decision to play a game at Renaissance Coliseum

[Chico]

See, this is a fallacy. SeaDoo doesn't compete against other watercraft manufacturers, they compete against Chevy Corvette's and vacations to Cancun - If they only view their competition as other watercraft manufacturers, why advertise at all? Because they realize it's bigger than that, they aren't competing for market share in wave runners, they are competing for the discretionary dollar. Bradley Basketball's competition isn't another basketball game, it's heading to the bars, or grabbing a movie, or hanging out with your buddies watching a movie. Bradley isn't competing against other live sports, they are competing for student's free time.

If you're Bradley fan there is plenty of time during the week to watch a movie or go to Farmington Rd for a drink. 16 home games that's all there is from November to March.

[Future Walk-On]

yay first UFO/Basketball thread in history.

The last two years I lived with some guys in an off campus house...they consistently would not want to go to HOME games with me and elected to watch them on TV at our house.... explain that to me? it started making me mad.


Riddle me this....if all you guys sign up for a January Interim Course (I am not sure if you can as early as the game is) wouldn't you technically be a student and get a student ticket....then you can just drop the course? Genius?

[lefty]

See, this is a fallacy. SeaDoo doesn't compete against other watercraft manufacturers, they compete against Chevy Corvette's and vacations to Cancun - If they only view their competition as other watercraft manufacturers, why advertise at all? Because they realize it's bigger than that, they aren't competing for market share in wave runners, they are competing for the discretionary dollar. Bradley Basketball's competition isn't another basketball game, it's heading to the bars, or grabbing a movie, or hanging out with your buddies watching a movie. Bradley isn't competing against other live sports, they are competing for student's free time.

yeah....I'm not sure I agree with this either....Seadoo does compete with other manufacturers...people want a jetski they look at yamaha,polaris,kawasaki, or whatever.....they don't market to see how we stack up against a trip to Cancun or a new Corvette...

I do agree that BU basketball games are competing against the use of time not money

[amckillip]

yeah....I'm not sure I agree with this either....Seadoo does compete with other manufacturers...people want a jetski they look at yamaha,polaris,kawasaki, or whatever.....they don't market to see how we stack up against a trip to Cancun or a new Corvette...

I do agree that BU basketball games are competing against the use of time not money

SeaDoo is MOST definitely competing against other uses of discretionary income, as much if not more than Yamaha and the like. I don't know to explain that without a marketing class other than showing how rarely you see a SeaDoo vs Yamaha commercial as compared to a BMW vs. Benz one...

It's all about discretionary $$ or time...

[lefty]

SeaDoo is MOST definitely competing against other uses of discretionary income, as much if not more than Yamaha and the like. I don't know to explain that without a marketing class other than showing how rarely you see a SeaDoo vs Yamaha commercial as compared to a BMW vs. Benz one...

It's all about discretionary $$ or time...

I agree on the time part...just not the money.

Ask 100 buyers of Seadoos and see if they were going to spend the dough on a Vette or a jetski.....or ask a Vette owner if they almost bought a Seadoo.....now if you want to compare the jetski to a used boat, or a pontoon then I would agree but not a car or a trip

[amckillip]

I agree on the time part...just not the money.

Ask 100 buyers of Seadoos and see if they were going to spend the dough on a Vette or a jetski.....or ask a Vette owner if they almost bought a Seadoo.....now if you want to compare the jetski to a used boat, or a pontoon then I would agree but not a car or a trip

You're missing the point... Severely. The point is SeaDoo wants to get people to want a SeaDoo, comaring a SeaDoo to a 'Vette isn't a conscious comparison, and I assure you this type of marketing is thoroughly studied and proven. 'Dad can't get a new truck because we just added a new deck, etc.'

[lefty]

You're missing the point... Severely. The point is SeaDoo wants to get people to want a SeaDoo, comaring a SeaDoo to a 'Vette isn't a conscious comparison, and I assure you this type of marketing is thoroughly studied and proven. 'Dad can't get a new truck because we just added a new deck, etc.'

here's what you said- SeaDoo doesn't compete against other watercraft manufacturers, they compete against Chevy Corvette's and vacations to Cancun.

I disagree that's all.....I really think its much more about the time why BU students don't go to games than about the money. They don't think it's worth their time to go..their may be a few exceptions of course but time seems to be more precious than money these days

[SFP]

here's what you said- SeaDoo doesn't compete against other watercraft manufacturers, they compete against Chevy Corvette's and vacations to Cancun.

I disagree that's all.....I really think its much more about the time why BU students don't go to games than about the money. They don't think it's worth their time to go..their may be a few exceptions of course but time seems to be more precious than money these days

Lefty, you're almost right IMO it does have to do with time but another factor is effort. It is so much easier to sit home and play games or even watch the game from campus then to venture down to Carver. BU is pretty isolated from the rest of Peoria and on those cold wet evenings it takes a bit of effort and planning to head on down the hill. I think it was worth it but today's kids just see things a bit different. The marketing promotion for the students should be based on this simple fact. Why should I leave my comfortable surroundings to head down to Carver? There has to be more then to support your team, especially when they are just not producing the wins.

[Chico]

Lefty, you're almost right IMO it does have to do with time but another factor is effort. It is so much easier to sit home and play games or even watch the game from campus then to venture down to Carver. BU is pretty isolated from the rest of Peoria and on those cold wet evenings it takes a bit of effort and planning to head on down the hill. I think it was worth it but today's kids just see things a bit different. The marketing promotion for the students should be based on this simple fact. Why should I leave my comfortable surroundings to head down to Carver? There has to be more then to support your team, especially when they are just not producing the wins.

Isolated? How far is downtown from campus, takes 10 minutes. Thank goodness for the blue hairs. Magic words are your team. If you're a fan support your team. If not, I don't expect you to attend. As much as others don't want to admit it, the Braves are Peoria's team.

[amckillip]

Isolated? How far is downtown from campus, takes 10 minutes. Thank goodness for the blue hairs. Magic words are your team. If you're a fan support your team. If not, I don't expect you to attend. As much as others don't want to admit it, the Braves are Peoria's team.

And if we don't get younger people involved in 20 years it will be no ones team.

[lefty]

And if we don't get younger people involved in 20 years it will be no ones team.

I kind of agree with you.....if we have a consistent winner it will help immensely....I actually love the students in the end zone of the arena.
Students can be creative and wish BU would allow them use that during the games as long as it's not in poor taste

[Chico]

And if we don't get younger people involved in 20 years it will be no ones team.

The vast majority of fans, real fans, in attendance at Bradley games are not graduates or even ex students of Bradley U. They were all young once and have been fans, real fans, for years. Young people have the chance to be involved. It's up to them. If we had to depend on the students it would be no ones team right now. Again, thank goodness for the blue hairs and their families.

[Braves4Life]

The vast majority of fans, real fans, in attendance at Bradley games are not graduates or even ex students of Bradley U. They were all young once and have been fans, real fans, for years. Young people have the chance to be involved. It's up to them. If we had to depend on the students it would be no ones team right now. Again, thank goodness for the blue hairs and their families.

Well said Chico. Bradley is Peoria's team!

[SFP]

Isolated? How far is downtown from campus, takes 10 minutes. Thank goodness for the blue hairs. Magic words are your team. If you're a fan support your team. If not, I don't expect you to attend. As much as others don't want to admit it, the Braves are Peoria's team.

Isolation is a state of mind and yes BU is isolated from the rest of Peoria in different ways then just distance. The students can't just go down the hill for a 10-15 min. walk, safety first then the freezing temperatures. Yes they are encapsulated directly around campus, especially if you do not have a car. I'm not making excuses just pointing out how they feel. That is a reality like it or not and BU marketing needs to address this. More and more people are feeling isolated these days. It is a fact of life going forward. Why do you think there are all these random shootings from unstable people? Do you think there were any less before? Times are a changing.

[Future Walk-On]

Isolation is a state of mind and yes BU is isolated from the rest of Peoria in different ways then just distance. The students can't just go down the hill for a 10-15 min. walk, safety first then the freezing temperatures. Yes they are encapsulated directly around campus, especially if you do not have a car. I'm not making excuses just pointing out how they feel. That is a reality like it or not and BU marketing needs to address this. More and more people are feeling isolated these days. It is a fact of life going forward. Why do you think there are all these random shootings from unstable people? Do you think there were any less before? Times are a changing.

We either pre game at the Locker Room (across the street from PCC) or we go to the Fieldhouse in Campustown because they have FREE shuttles to the games and back. FREE. We consistently never see other students besides us taking adv.

anyways this is just a props to the FH for giving us rides.