Kaplan's take on the JL situation

[rsmit84]

Nope, they had it first by a long margin -- and as I read and recall -- the Chicago guys had it leaked to them quite early on Sunday.....
In fact possibly even before JL was fired, as there were obviously a lot who knew even then it was going to happen as it couldn't have happened with discussion among Board members...

...and now since those columns have been updated with subsequent info you cannot use them to prove anything --
..and DR does a good job -- and includes a lot of stuff in his coverage which also was updated later so what's now searchable online is NOT what he had originally at 5:51PM..

well -- wouldn't you think a source in Peoria would obviously go into more depth than a Chicago source since the news is a bit more relevant to the Peoria audience..
but the facts stand that by 11AM Chicago sources knew and had the report of JL's firing, and the Journal Star didn't have it until nearly 7 hours later..

BradleyFans.com obviously had more than the Chicago message boards, too.......way, way more......
Bradleyfans.com had EIGHT PAGES and 153 separate posts (actually more like 175 but several unreasonable, negative posts were removed) about the firing before the PJS article and nothing in the PJS article couldn't have simply been culled from what was posted right here.

What exactly is your point here? Is there any doubt with most people that Goodmans "leak" was Les himself? Does that make him a better journalist that Reynolds or simply a man being used by a jilted coach?

[Da Coach]

Is there any doubt with most people that Goodmans "leak" was Les himself?

There has never been any solid evidence or proof that Jim Les leaked anything to Fox or ESPN, and yet the JL-haters don't ever seem to need actual facts to make up their mind about those things. In fact, it seems now the burden of proof is for anyone who doesn't accept it, or knows otherwise to prove it didn't happen. More evidence of how different the standards are for some.

[rsmit84]

There has never been any solid evidence or proof that Jim Les leaked anything to Fox or ESPN, and yet the JL-haters don't ever seem to need actual facts to make up their mind about those things. In fact, it seems now the burden of proof is for anyone who doesn't accept it, or knows otherwise to prove it didn't happen. More evidence of how different the standards are for some.

Kind of like a newspaper needs facts before reporting on a huge story? The FACT is that Goodman had a source he felt confident enough in to report on. The PJS didnt have that source. The PJS-haters dont ever seem to need actual facts to make up there mind about those things.

[Da Coach]

When did the topic here change to the PJS? What has that got to do with JL?

[rsmit84]

Kaplan was also the first guy in the media to write about Jim Les' firing ..along with Jeff Goodman...
and how he found out about it in Chicago long before anyone in the Peoria or local press knew a thing is still the subject of some speculation.

http://tellpeoria.com/peoriapundit/2011/03/06/jim-les-fired-and-someone-probably-from-bradley-leaked-it-to-fox/

Remember - when this happened on March 6, several Chicago news outlets had it first...
and even the Pantagraph had a FULL story by 4:46PM, while the PJ Star didn't find out 'til much later...

now we have yet another case of the Chicago press having the story first (although some on this board actually had it even before that!) -- kinda embarrassing to BU and the local media..

Pretty sure this is the moment the thread became about the journal star

[Boiler]

I'm not embarrassed about the contract situation or firing, no one really cares about that except us and the parties involved, I think what people care about, other than us, is whether we win or lose games. If you want to feel embarrassed, just look at the home record the last two seasons...

Quincy 86-80
EIU 63-56
Utah 68-60
WSU 79-63
SIU 72-64
InSU 59-53
MSU 78-67
ISU 79-78
UNI 80-70
ISU 62-61
CU 73-68
SIU 86-81
Da Ramblers 68-65
Western Carolina 75-67

Those are home games. If you want to feel embarrassed, feel embarrassed about that

Awesome. Yet anyone who states that this is bad and the cliche-spewing coach, who has had ample time to return the team to respectability and needs to be replaced, is labeled an anti-Les hater.

[tornado]

What exactly is your point here? Is there any doubt with most people that Goodmans "leak" was Les himself?

this is one of those "are you still beating your wife"-type questions...
This question can only be answered by saying not only is there doubt of such, but that it is highly unlikely it could have possibly been JL...since the Chicago people knew so early that the tip must have come from someone who knew it was happening as it was happening or even before.

[Buesch N Chips]

Awesome. Yet anyone who states that this is bad and the cliche-spewing coach, who has had ample time to return the team to respectability and needs to be replaced, is labeled an anti-Les hater.

Anyone can see anything they want if they just look at only all of the bad things, or only all of the good things. You can spin any coach as bottom of the barrel, or a hall of famer. The comical thing is people are still trying to prove that their point of view is the correct one.

[Braves4Life]

--What you defined as "in depth coverage" in the PJ Star about JL's firing -- was completely, 100% already available on BradleyFans in this thread...so I was simply contending if PJS had the most "in-depth" coverage -- then BradleyFans had BOTH in depth and breaking, exclusive coverage!

In today's world blogs and forums will almost always "scoop" traditional media. If only because blogs and forums can rarely be held liable and accountable for factual errors where traditional media are. Thus, it's to be expected that these scoops will frequently occur.

[Da Coach]

Those who hate Jim Les will continue to try to blame everything they see wrong on him for years. They will even keep making things up or believing in unproven presumptions to justify their hatred for him.
He's gone. Time to move on.

[SFP]

Those who hate Jim Les will continue to try to blame everything they see wrong on him for years. They will even keep making things up or believing in unproven presumptions to justify their hatred for him.
He's gone. Time to move on.

+1

[lake Camelot]

+1

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Although there are some people that could be categorized this way, almost everyone I read postings from actually liked Jim. They may disagree on who they think told who what.

I am not sure if I am being lumped in as a Jim Les hater or not. My personal feeling on Jim- I am glad he was here. I liked the way the players represented the University for the most part. I was very happy he landed another job, and think he is worth giving another chance to. Maybe 2 years ago when I saw people post that his job was in danger I said I thought he was closer to an extension than being fired. I changed my mind last year. I was ready to try someone else. I don't hate Jim Les though, that is just how this business is run.

[Braves4Life]

this is one of those "are you still beating your wife"-type questions...
This question can only be answered by saying not only is there doubt of such, but that it is highly unlikely it could have possibly been JL...since the Chicago people knew so early that the tip must have come from someone who knew it was happening as it was happening or even before.

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Although there are some people that could be categorized this way, almost everyone I read postings from actually liked Jim. They may disagree on who they think told who what.

I am not sure if I am being lumped in as a Jim Les hater or not. My personal feeling on Jim- I am glad he was here. I liked the way the players represented the University for the most part. I was very happy he landed another job, and think he is worth giving another chance to. Maybe 2 years ago when I saw people post that his job was in danger I said I thought he was closer to an extension than being fired. I changed my mind last year. I was ready to try someone else. I don't hate Jim Les though, that is just how this business is run.

+1 Lake Camelot. I think your feelings represent the vast majority of Bradleyfans. The administration recognized this and took the action that they felt appropriate and in the best interests of Bradley University.

[SFP]

I should have highlighted the moving on part of the post!

[Da Coach]

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Although there are some people that could be categorized this way, almost everyone I read postings from actually liked Jim. They may disagree on who they think told who what.

I am not sure if I am being lumped in as a Jim Les hater or not. My personal feeling on Jim- I am glad he was here. I liked the way the players represented the University for the most part. I was very happy he landed another job, and think he is worth giving another chance to. Maybe 2 years ago when I saw people post that his job was in danger I said I thought he was closer to an extension than being fired. I changed my mind last year. I was ready to try someone else. I don't hate Jim Les though, that is just how this business is run.

You are not a JL hater. They are the ones who are still venting their vitriol at Jim, blaming him for things he had nothing to do with, and making stuff up to justify their irrational dislike for the man personally. I agree with you that it is a business, and it was reasonanble to make the change. I think Bradley is headed in the right direction with Geno.
Most fans agree that factors that were not in JL's control, such as innumerable serious injuries to key players contributed to the unsatisfactory results the last few years, though some of the haters can't acknowledge that because it would get in their way of their irrational hatred for JL. Most of us are 100% behind the new coach and staff, and have moved on. So anyone who wants to dump on the previous coaching staff can do so on other forums where it is welcomed and refined to an art form.