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  • #16
    Updated story a bit...

    ""We have honored the terms and provisions of Coach Les' contact," Bradley spokesperson Shelley Epstein said."

    -seriously?!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jeffsu View Post
      Updated story a bit...

      ""We have honored the terms and provisions of Coach Les' contact," Bradley spokesperson Shelley Epstein said."

      -seriously?!
      So if a court of law ultimately agrees with Bradley's position they honored his contract, what say ye now?

      Wouldn't be the first time a jilted partner tries to publically blackmail their former partner with the threat of bad press/public opinion. Does everyone believe lawsuits can only be filed if the plaintiff is correct?

      No skin of of JL's back to try and get as much out of BU as he thinks he is entitled to, public opinion will always be on his side no matter the facts.

      Let due process play out, then make your proclamations from a position of knowledge, not bias....
      BUilding for the Future

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
        So if a court of law ultimately agrees with Bradley's position they honored his contract, what say ye now?

        Wouldn't be the first time a jilted partner tries to publically blackmail their former partner with the threat of bad press/public opinion. Does everyone believe lawsuits can only be filed if the plaintiff is correct?

        No skin of of JL's back to try and get as much out of BU as he thinks he is entitled to, public opinion will always be on his side no matter the facts.

        Let due process play out, then make your proclamations from a position of knowledge, not bias....
        Entirely too rational! Sound the alarm!
        Hehe
        Sungani umoyo womseko na wokonda waumbiri anznga.

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        • #19
          I backed the administration 100% in making the coaching change and strongly felt it was the right move to make for the future of BU basketball. That said, this legal issue is a classic example of BU not being able to see the forest for the trees.

          After reading the PJS article I certainly believe that BU may be in the right here BUT being in the right and saving a few million dollars isn't worth the hits the school's reputation will take during this process.

          This could have severe ramifications in BU's dealings with its former players. JL is beloved my many former BU players and coaches. How willing are they going to be to be part of the program going forward when the school is involved in litigation vs JL? Something like this may very well risk BU's relationship with Hersey Hawkins forever.

          C'mon, just pay the man. Even if it isn't "right" it is certainly the right thing to do. Geez.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
            So if a court of law ultimately agrees with Bradley's position they honored his contract, what say ye now?

            Wouldn't be the first time a jilted partner tries to publically blackmail their former partner with the threat of bad press/public opinion. Does everyone believe lawsuits can only be filed if the plaintiff is correct?

            No skin of of JL's back to try and get as much out of BU as he thinks he is entitled to, public opinion will always be on his side no matter the facts.

            Let due process play out, then make your proclamations from a position of knowledge, not bias....
            And what knowledge do you have to suggest Jim Les is trying to "get as much out of BU as he thinks he is entitled to"?

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            • #21
              This latest update from Dave Reynolds contains a bit more about Bradley's reason for not paying Jim Les the amount he feels he and his lawyers believe Bradley owes him-


              Bradley’s financial obligation to Les is based on the difference between his BU salary, estimated at about $425,000 per year, and what he will earn at UC-Davis.

              Bradley, in a response issued Friday night by university spokesman Shelley Epstein, maintains that Les had his UC-Davis contract structured in such a way to inappropriately disadvantage BU.

              Read the Bradley statement, in part: “Les’ UC-Davis contract provides him with a flat salary of $125,000 for the first three years, with that salary doubling to $250,000 in the fourth year at the time when Bradley’s financial obligation expires and to $275,000 in the fifth year. We believe that $125,000 is substantially less than head coaches with Les’ experience are being paid in the Big West Conference.”

              “Bradley has a fiduciary responsibility to uphold its educational mission and support its tuition paying students, its faculty and its staff in their teaching, research and service endeavors. Bradley will continue to honor Les’ contract while simultaneously working towards a settlement of these significant differences.

              “Jim Les has approximately three years remaining on his contract with Bradley. We are firmly committed to honoring the contract and have done so to this point. However, Les has a contractually stated duty to mitigate/offset Bradley financial obligations now that he is re-employed with the University of California-Davis.

              “Bradley recently conducted an open records inquiry of UC-Davis and their subsequent response leads us to believe Les’ compensation unreasonably takes advantage of his Bradley contract in order to maximize Bradley’s expense. Thus our differences exist.”

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              • #22
                First let me say I was one of the guys that wanted Jim to get 1 more year but have moved on and support our new coach. I also think that BU needs to do the right thing and pay Jim what he is owed and it sounds like they have. It is unfortunate that this has come to such a point and that Jim will probably not be part of Bradley's future as an ex star player or ex coach. I will say this and it wont be popular, Bradley gave Jim a chance to become a head coach at the D-1 level when no other school in America would have. I hope this is cleared up and that Jim feels comfortable coming back to Bradley as a beloved ex player and coach. The chances of that happening don't look good..

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BuBraves55 View Post
                  How do I retweet this?
                  It should fall within the 140 character limit of twitter so you should be good to go!
                  Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                  ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                    This latest update from Dave Reynolds contains a bit more about Bradley's reason for not paying Jim Les the amount he feels he and his lawyers believe Bradley owes him-


                    Bradley??™s financial obligation to Les is based on the difference between his BU salary, estimated at about $425,000 per year, and what he will earn at UC-Davis.

                    Bradley, in a response issued Friday night by university spokesman Shelley Epstein, maintains that Les had his UC-Davis contract structured in such a way to inappropriately disadvantage BU.

                    Read the Bradley statement, in part: ???Les??™ UC-Davis contract provides him with a flat salary of $125,000 for the first three years, with that salary doubling to $250,000 in the fourth year at the time when Bradley??™s financial obligation expires and to $275,000 in the fifth year. We believe that $125,000 is substantially less than head coaches with Les??™ experience are being paid in the Big West Conference.???

                    ???Bradley has a fiduciary responsibility to uphold its educational mission and support its tuition paying students, its faculty and its staff in their teaching, research and service endeavors. Bradley will continue to honor Les??™ contract while simultaneously working towards a settlement of these significant differences.

                    ???Jim Les has approximately three years remaining on his contract with Bradley. We are firmly committed to honoring the contract and have done so to this point. However, Les has a contractually stated duty to mitigate/offset Bradley financial obligations now that he is re-employed with the University of California-Davis.

                    ???Bradley recently conducted an open records inquiry of UC-Davis and their subsequent response leads us to believe Les??™ compensation unreasonably takes advantage of his Bradley contract in order to maximize Bradley??™s expense. Thus our differences exist.???
                    This actually makes sense. I'm not sure of the "facts" but if he is indeed being paid significantly less than other coaches in that conference then it does seem a bit odd that his contract is structured like that. It does kind of look like UC Davis is trying to get the majority of Les' salary for the next 3 years from Bradley....

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                    • #25
                      Is it normal for the UC-Davis head coach to also be a lecturer at the school and draw a separate salary?
                      1996 & 2019

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                      • #26
                        Without question Bradley but I think it minimizes the length of time the stigma lasts. I think if Bradley is 100% right the stigma would likely be quickly forgotten. In this instance if UC Davis is trying to get their new coach the most money from Bradley then I think it kind of looks bad on them at the same time. That seems pretty "bush league" to me to hire a new coach, proceed to pay him less than his due, because, hey, he's gonna get more money from his previous employer...that's crap.

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                        • #27
                          Haha...I guess, but that couldn't hold up in court could it?

                          Like he said, he should've just stayed home the next 3 years...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tornado
                            Question -- even if JL is wrong and BU is 100% right -- who comes out looking worse given the unprecedented scenario of two lawsuits on opposite fronts?
                            BINGO.

                            This is the dilema. I believe BU is 100% right and JL is 100% wrong, based on several factors. However, 2 concurrent lawsuits look awful, makes the admiistration look incompentant. It is entirely possible that BU is in the right on both lawsuits (although legal precedent may only be on their side in one of the two), but it is probably in their best interest to make both go away as quickly as possible.
                            #DunkOnYou

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by tornado
                              but that's not what's happening --
                              if it was, then Jim would just work for free at UC-D and make BU pay it all...right?

                              Anyway -- how do you explain away this comment...

                              "... the facts will show that every head coach at Davis has the same lecturer/coach appointment -
                              some with a 50/50 split on their compensation -- and they ALL teach classes."


                              so did UC-Davis start this pattern years ago just to mess with BU?? Gimme a break...
                              Interesting stat isn't it... The history of the UC Davis salary pattern is certainly not in Bradley's favor for a lawsuit.....
                              Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                              ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Bradleyguy10 View Post
                                This actually makes sense. I'm not sure of the "facts" but if he is indeed being paid significantly less than other coaches in that conference then it does seem a bit odd that his contract is structured like that. It does kind of look like UC Davis is trying to get the majority of Les' salary for the next 3 years from Bradley....
                                Just trying to clarify- What reason would the UC-Davis Chancellor and AD have for wanting to do this, to rig a contract to hurt Bradley? I can't believe they would risk legal action to conspire in anything irregular. In the end, the amount they would pay out to Jim Les would be the same, so there would be nothing for them to gain.
                                Also, remember, in the end, Jim would get the same amount of money regardless of how his contract is structured, and even if he stayed at home for the next 3 years and didn't work. Bradley will save a lot of money by JL taking another job.

                                Originally posted by it's boogie time View Post
                                Is it normal for the UC-Davis head coach to also be a lecturer at the school and draw a separate salary?
                                Yes. I have learned that nearly all the coaches at UC Davis, and at the other UC system colleges are paid that way.

                                Originally posted by Bradleyguy10 View Post
                                That seems pretty "bush league" to me to hire a new coach, proceed to pay him less than his due, because, hey, he's gonna get more money from his previous employer...that's crap.
                                But UC Davis is not "paying JL less than his due". They are paying him a reasonable amount for his services. The issue is how the contract is structured. Bradley thinks it is tweaked to make Bradley pay more than Bradley thinks they should. But UC Davis isn't saving any money, they are still paying JL his entire coaching/teaching salary.

                                Again I would ask, what reason would UC Davis have to try to purposefully do something that would not benefit them one bit?
                                And isn't Bradley benefitting greatly from the fact JL has taken this job?

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