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    Jeff Gordon, ST Louis PD: Cheating didn’t bring down Ohio State coach Jim Tressel. Arrogance did.
    Like former USC athletic director Mike Garrett before him, Tressel dismissed the work of Yahoo! Sports staffers as they poked around his school's business and uncovered NCAA violations. In Garrett's case, the issue was lavish benefits bestowed upon running back Reggie Bush.
    In Tressel’s case, details of clumsy cover-up were revealed. As colleague Bryan Burwell observed, dogged reporting on OSU football exposed Tressel to the world as a liar.
    This isn’t John Calipari we’re talking about. Calipari is comfortable working the margins of the NCAA rulebook while building basketball juggernauts. For Coach Cal, recruiting is what it is.
    No, this latest NCAA “scandal” took down Tressel, an alleged paragon of integrity.


    Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports: “You can disagree with the significance of the original mistake by the players: Why can’t you sell your own stuff? There is no debating that a head coach must follow the NCAA rules, a major one being that he must turn over credible information of a violation. The NCAA has a lot of questionable statutes. Demanding the truth from multimillion dollar employees isn’t one of them. When Tressel didn’t live up to his responsibilities, it was one of the most significant mistakes in recent memory. This wasn’t a shadowy booster or a rogue agent. This wasn’t a circumstantial case against an assistant coach. This was the head man, caught with an electronic paper trail of email.”

    Ray Ratto, CBSSports.com: “Tressel's contemptible arrogance dwarfed the weight of the crime, just as USC's insufferable smugness in the Reggie Bush fandango contributed to its punishment. But that leads to another problem, which is the NCAA. To this day, it doesn't understand the letter vs. the spirit of the law, and prefers to punish those administrators who resist arrest far more than those who say they're sorry. The NCAA, in short, puts great stock in the perp walk, and far less than in running a fair shop.”

    Greg Couch, FanHouse: “For some reason, the sweater-vest is bugging me most. Jim Tressel resigned Monday morning as Ohio State’s coach, and while I’m not sure it really was inevitable, there is no shock. The guy had been covering up rules violations and lying to the NCAA about it. But he wrote a book that promoted his own integrity, knowing that you’d buy. In his quiet moments, was he laughing at you? That sweater-vest was in on the lie, part of the charade. He dressed himself up like a man of integrity, but you know, we dressed him up that way, too.”

    Andy Staples, SI.com: “If the three highest profile players of a big-time coach's career all got dinged by the NCAA, you would think that coach might be dirty. So why, after Maurice Clarett, Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor all faced NCAA sanctions, did people still think Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was squeaky clean? Why, after Tressel admitted in March that he played ineligible players and lied to the NCAA about it, did people still rush to his defense, claiming him an otherwise perfect coach who made one little mistake? Because Tressel, Ohio State and a compliant media . . . sold that narrative so well. He was The Senator. The light in the darkness. The one who didn't have to stoop as low as his peers. Even Tressel's choice of signature garment screamed piety. A sweater vest says, ‘I'll have your daughter home by nine, sir.’ A sweater vest says, ‘I'll be in the first pew in church on Sunday.’ A sweater vest says, ‘I'll abide by my contract and the rules that govern my profession.’”

    Pat Forde, ESPN.com: “The fans rejoicing around the Big Ten on Monday makes clear how thoroughly Tressel had dominated the league. His tenure was a spectacular success on the field. But there will be an enduring and justifiable taint to Tressel. This is a guy who has always talked skillfully about doing all the right things, but hasn't walked it very well. He won big and was dogged by NCAA violations at Youngstown State in the 1990s . . . And now Tressel has been forced out of his dream job, one of the top five in America. If he's honest with himself, Tressel must wonder today how much easier life would have been if he'd just done the right thing when he got that first email warning him that his players were breaking the rules. But this has been a lie-and-deny operation from the beginning, and now it ends with Jim Tressel's meticulously polished reputation in tatters.”

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    Interesting article in the June 6 SI about Jim Tressel and The Ohio State University...

    Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

    ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Beninator View Post
      Interesting article in the June 6 SI about Jim Tressel and The Ohio State University...

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sel/index.html
      I just saw an interview on TV with the author of this SI article. He has been investigating Ohio State and these allegations for months, and he suggests that there are more that will eventually come to light.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
        I just saw an interview on TV with the author of this SI article. He has been investigating Ohio State and these allegations for months, and he suggests that there are more that will eventually come to light.
        That would not surprise me at all!
        Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

        ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
          I just saw an interview on TV with the author of this SI article. He has been investigating Ohio State and these allegations for months, and he suggests that there are more that will eventually come to light.
          This will be very interesting as I keep hearing from OSU fans that it goes much deeper the JT and when the truth comes out the Tressel will be seen as the guy that took the blame. What I have heard is this may bring down the AD and many others as they also were covering things up the JT told them.
          Time will tell if any of that is true. We do know that JT did wrong by, supposedly, not reporting these matters when they first came up.
          As a "Big Blue & Maize" fan (except for BB and then I will be rooting for the BU Braves) this should make me happy but it really doesn't.
          Cheating has become very rampid in the world of big time college sports and, probably, more so in football then any other sport because of the amount of players they have to keep an eye on. It doesn't make it rught but the NCAA shows time & time again they are not willing to do anything about it.
          I do feel sorry for the athletes though as their hands are tied when it comes to money. Remember a college student that isn't an athlete can receive money from anyone but not an athlete. Something has to change so they can at least have some spending money.
          I have heard many say eliminate schollarships all together (discussed on this board) but IMO that would only create more cheating then ever.

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          • #6
            Its always those darn disgruntled players and car dealers that do ya in.

            But really, how ridiculous is it that you give these kids so much random stuff, but some of them come from the poorest of backgrounds. Some of the basketball player gifts from the tournaments in the fall look like a prize selection from wheel of fortune. It is not really shocking that they sell it. And I don't blame them really.

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            • #7
              but rules are rules -- and if you hammer one school for trivial extra benefits then you got to be fair and enforce the rules everywhere -- it's a novel concept that they've really never done before...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tornado View Post
                but rules are rules -- and if you hammer one school for trivial extra benefits then you got to be fair and enforce the rules everywhere -- it's a novel concept that they've really never done before...

                Hey I agree. It is usually the little guys getting busted. It is good to see the USC and tOSUs of the world get hit. Although they really haven't had much of a punishment yet.

                Funnier yet would be Urban Meyer taking over that program in a year. He led the SEC in arrests and the Cam Newton thing...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by basketball nut View Post
                  This will be very interesting as I keep hearing from OSU fans that it goes much deeper the JT and when the truth comes out the Tressel will be seen as the guy that took the blame. What I have heard is this may bring down the AD and many others as they also were covering things up the JT told them.
                  Time will tell if any of that is true. We do know that JT did wrong by, supposedly, not reporting these matters when they first came up.
                  As a "Big Blue & Maize" fan (except for BB and then I will be rooting for the BU Braves) this should make me happy but it really doesn't.
                  Cheating has become very rampid in the world of big time college sports and, probably, more so in football then any other sport because of the amount of players they have to keep an eye on. It doesn't make it rught but the NCAA shows time & time again they are not willing to do anything about it.
                  I do feel sorry for the athletes though as their hands are tied when it comes to money. Remember a college student that isn't an athlete can receive money from anyone but not an athlete. Something has to change so they can at least have some spending money.
                  I have heard many say eliminate schollarships all together (discussed on this board) but IMO that would only create more cheating then ever.
                  IMO people other than Tressel at TOSU had to have known what was going on and looked the other way as is the case with almost all successful BCS schools. TOSU got caught and they are doing the best they can with damage control.
                  Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                  ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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                  • #10
                    AD Smith and Prez Gee also have to go at OStUpid!

                    Both knew all about what was going on and then lied through their teeth in press conferences defending Tressel. When the Prez is afraid of firing his head footbal coach, he has to go. Notice they never fired Tressel, that would have meant they finally owned up to what he did, and, what they knew about. Only a SI article got Tressel out, and the AD/Pres didn't have the guts to fire him first.

                    They can't win in this deal, either they knew and covered up, or, they didn't know and would then have to be considered the stupidist people on the face of the earth, or, of sticking their heads in the sand. Remember Sgt Schultz? I know nothing! I see nothing! What a joke!

                    Selling memorabilia, car deals, buying and using drugs, rigging drawings at HS Prospects Camps, etc.

                    Time to drain the swamp at OSU and penalize them harshly, similar to USC. Then go to every other BCC school and tell them they have 48 hours to fess up to their infractions, or, NCAA will start issuing death penalities to any other school found out with similar infractions in the future.

                    I would think the IRS would also want to investigate if anyone paid taxes on memorabilia sales income or the car bennies these guys got.

                    I am pretty sure I brought this whole subject up earlier about how all these college students with little/no income could get their incredibly expensive tatoos!

                    As for 'paying' college athletes, two problems.....nominal money for food/rent/social etc would become taxable income to them....FICA/Medicare etc. They also become "employees" of their schools and disability, workman's comp etc comes into play.

                    But the biggest problem is paying college athletes will not deter the bad apples from going after big time money from boosters, agents, selling merchandise etc. They will still try and scam the system.
                    BUilding for the Future

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                    • #11
                      Certainly OSU will be getting some kind of probation. Instead of saddling the next coach with those sanctions Tressel should remain the coach until they are off probation. When they come off probation then that's when Tressel gets canned. It's been pretty obvious that these things have been going on in the football program at OSU for a long time. I think the NCAA needs to make an example of OSU and give them the most severe penalties since SMU was given the death penalty. Will it happen? I doubt it.

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                      • #12
                        SI.com article:

                        "The turmoil at Ohio State comes at the same time PGA Tour pros are arriving at Jack Nicklaus' Muirfield Village Golf Club in suburban Dublin for Thursday's first round of the Memorial Tournament.

                        Nicklaus, a standout golfer at Ohio State while Woody Hayes was the football coach in the early 1960s, was asked about Tressel's downfall.

                        "Well, obviously the coverup was far worse than the act," Nicklaus said Tuesday. "And once you got the coverup, it became a situation where Jim had to say some things that turned out to be that weren't exactly truthful. And so that's where he got himself in trouble."

                        Nicklaus said that now that the NCAA is continuing to investigate, almost any result is possible.

                        "Once one of these things happens, by the time they get through digging they're going to find whether somebody had a hangnail someplace or not, whether somebody replaced it improperly," Nicklaus said."

                        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1NzRyxaYB

                        Nice jab at the NCAA, and, another lame attempt to rationalize the cheating/lying by Coach Tressel. No big deal, just brush it under the carpet, eh Jack?

                        Wow, just lost all respect for The Golden Bear

                        Pretty arrogant, even for an OSU alum.
                        BUilding for the Future

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Beninator View Post
                          IMO people other than Tressel at TOSU had to have known what was going on and looked the other way as is the case with almost all successful BCS schools. TOSU got caught and they are doing the best they can with damage control.
                          Bingo. JT took the fall as damage control. From what I hear from insiders is if everything comes out then Tressel might not look so bad.
                          Have you noticed how many of these guys (abviously not all) that are coming out were guys that got dismissed from the team or coaches that got fired. Anygody can say anything.
                          I am not justifying what happened but was told the truth hasn't come out and JT took the fall to help the program. Let's see if they pay him!

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