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  • #76
    Originally posted by tornado View Post
    as 45otseoj just pointed out...some might say that it IS crumbling.....
    ...coming off last place, losing our head coach and three assistants and others in the Athletic Department
    whose names have yet to appear in the press, then losing our best player (AW),
    and another 5th year senior that was a solid team leader and contributor and will be very hard to replace (Dodie),
    plus losing our best returning guy (Sammy), then potentially also losing our best talent to a health issue (TB)
    and our best returning scorer to transfer (DSE)..as well as maybe losing our two best incoming players (SH & RA)...
    and then the possiblity of the loss of significant fan & donor support...and an admin that wants to do exactly as you railed against
    and move a significant number of games to the campus arena and make seat selection very exclusive and based on contribs....
    (which if the attendance drops to 6000 you can bet will happen for many of those games)
    and you're giggling and making jokes about it all.....seems you love pain.......
    Yes or no question - Is the iceberg dead ahead?
    Onward and Upward!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by tornado View Post
      -first -- this news isn't like we just gained something....it is simply not news about losing something.
      I have to admit I never mentioned that my house didn't burn down yesterday and I didn't lose my wallet, but if the subject comes up then I am definitely happy about it...
      You are exactly right...WE DIDN'T LOSE ANYTHING like some were shouting from the rooftops that we would.


      Originally posted by tornado View Post
      and had we lost DSE -- and even the news about him contemplating leaving -- were negatives that hurts BU and potential recruiting -- so there's still some blame to lay on the parties who failed to count the costs of what's happened.......
      So news about a player weighing their options and still choosing BU, hurts BU? If anything I think it speaks volumes about the coach we brought in.

      Originally posted by tornado View Post
      -but as noted elsewhere -- some of the reasons DSE is staying are directly due to some of the people you are taking shots at...the people who were NOT happy with the "process" who helped step in and enable the changes that appear to be keeping DSE here...
      so don't work yourself into too much of a "problem" with the very people who are helping stem the fallout........
      I'm trying to contemplate what a fan could do or say to me that would have this much sway? If I'm really as hacked off about the coaching change as some here would have you believe...not much.

      If I'm a player, there are three things that top my list - am I going to have a scholarship, am I going to get the playing time I want, and is the situation one that will allow my team to win some games.

      I can't think of anything a fan could do or say to change ANY of those things.

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      • #78
        most never see 90% of the iceberg

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Chibearsfan10125 View Post
          Believe what you will, I believe this team can finish as high as 2, more than likely 4 or 5 again. Creighton and Indiana State are the class of the Valley next season. Wichita and Mo. State are both losing a lot of talent this year.

          No Post Presence? Ever hear of Jordan Prosser? Egolf is not really a post player, but if Prosser continues to improve and bulk up, I see no reason he can't be, eventually, one of the top post players in the valley. Also, in Geno's system, post players aren't as important. They are still nice to have, but with a running team, you don't NEED them as much.

          4 out of 5 starters are pretty much set, provided TB is healthy enough to play. In my opinion, here is what we are looking at.

          DSE, TB, WE, and JP will all start. The 5th starter will either be WL, DS, JE, or a long shot Remy (if he comes, of course).

          I don't think we can win the valley next season, but there is no reason to expect this team to finish in last again. I will be surprised if they play on Thursday in the MVC tournament again.
          Good assessment, ChiBear. Top 3 is not unreasonable - of course, we've never seen Geno and how he works with the guys. I am thinking 4th-5th next season is the safe pick.
          I expect him and his staff to be able to work with the bigs. I can't imagine starting 3 bigs!!! That would be awesome!

          I would venture to say that DS will start as a freshman, if he is indeed our best PG. DSE didn't impress me at PG last season. Jake actually did.

          If there is ever a season where we could possibly steal an MVC championship, it's next season. The top team seems weaker than we've seen in several years. If Indiana St. is the favorite, then there are about 5 teams that can take the title. And maybe I'm missing something, but Creighton does not seem deep at all next season - maybe some decent recruits coming in?

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          • #80
            Harbingers of doom are often proven to be crackpots and know-nothings.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Chibearsfan10125 View Post
              Believe what you will, I believe this team can finish as high as 2, more than likely 4 or 5 again. Creighton and Indiana State are the class of the Valley next season. Wichita and Mo. State are both losing a lot of talent this year.
              Wichita State brings back far more talent than Bradley.
              No Post Presence? Ever hear of Jordan Prosser? Egolf is not really a post player, but if Prosser continues to improve and bulk up, I see no reason he can't be, eventually, one of the top post players in the valley. Also, in Geno's system, post players aren't as important. They are still nice to have, but with a running team, you don't NEED them as much.
              JP averaged 5 and 5, but the potential is there. That being said, I can count 10 or 11 forwards or centers that I would take over Prosser next season.

              I also find it funny that everyone is embracing a coach who uses a system that, according to you, "post players aren't as important."
              4 out of 5 starters are pretty much set, provided TB is healthy enough to play. In my opinion, here is what we are looking at.

              DSE, TB, WE, and JP will all start. The 5th starter will either be WL, DS, JE, or a long shot Remy (if he comes, of course).
              No one in that lineup is a good perimeter shooter, and DSE flourished this yaer when he was moved off the point position. IF DSE doesn't start point then that leaves DS. I don't see a DS led team finishing in the top half.
              I don't think we can win the valley next season, but there is no reason to expect this team to finish in last again. I will be surprised if they play on Thursday in the MVC tournament again.
              I doubt they finish last (unless bad news comes), but Ford deserves the COY if BU doesn't play on Thursday.
              "But instead lets just hate while their MBB and WBB programs play blackjack against BU. Twenty-One in a row, seven by the Men & 14 by their women." ~NSBF

              @FrontRowSto

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              • #82
                Originally posted by tornado View Post
                most never see 90% of the iceberg
                Answer the question please - Is it 'dead ahead'?

                If you'd like, elaborate on what you see. Are you part of the 'most' or do you have SONAR?
                Onward and Upward!

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                • #83
                  you just quoted my list of lots of bad things already -- what exactly constitutes hitting an iceberg??
                  Maybe even worse than hitting it is hitting it and yet not having a clue and thinking it might still be ahead...

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by BradleyBrave View Post
                    Answer the question please - Is it 'dead ahead'?

                    If you'd like, elaborate on what you see. Are you part of the 'most' or do you have SONAR?
                    I will answer. It is on the port side. You need to steer starboard.

                    I still want to have that beer...... and you started the attack. I just said it was wrong and something about a life.

                    I need to go play golf. Everybody have a great Masters weekend.
                    It's not Business, It's Personal

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by LG281 View Post
                      Harbingers of doom are often proven to be crackpots and know-nothings.
                      Maybe, but in this case, many of those projections came from the people closest to the program. So make what you will of this, but the program came real close to a mass exodus.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by BradleyJD View Post
                        DSE was never really planning on leaving. He certainly looked at his options, but was and is dedicated to Bradley.

                        I believe you are getting inaccurate information, but you can believe what you choose. I know for a fact that DSE turned in a written request for release and listed 10 schools (just as Sam did) that he wanted a release to talk to. I have spoken to Dyricus. He was quite upset with what happened and felt the players were not being informed appropriately, and he was planning to leave.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                          I believe you are getting inaccurate information, but you can believe what you choose. I know for a fact that DSE turned in a written request for release and listed 10 schools (just as Sam did) that he wanted a release to talk to. I have spoken to Dyricus. He was quite upset with what happened and felt the players were not being informed appropriately, and he was planning to leave.
                          I agree with everything you said, except the very last part. He looked into options, he did not plan to leave. Opening up options, and being set to leave are different things, IMO.
                          When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Air Petey View Post
                            I will answer. It is on the port side. You need to steer starboard.

                            I still want to have that beer...... and you started the attack. I just said it was wrong and something about a life.

                            I need to go play golf. Everybody have a great Masters weekend.
                            Thanks for answering.

                            I did not start an attack. I am sure I have in the past, but didn't this time. To me an attack would be calling someone a name or telling them to get a life. But it's probably different for everyone.

                            Beer is good. A nice cold one can ease tensions and erase differences.

                            Best of luck on the links. Pulling for DA this weekend (got him at +20000 to win at Augusta, gotta go with the local favorite).
                            Onward and Upward!

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by BU RICK View Post
                              I like the way you think.

                              Maybe we should lift less weights this summer so the muscles are less tight with those 2-5 foot shots near the basket and concentrate more on conditioning.


                              You need to do both weights and cardio for basketball and a healthy dose of stretching. Kareem Abdul Jabbar credited yoga for extending and benefitting his career and MJ did as much stretching as lifting and playing during his career.
                              "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
                              ??” Thomas Jefferson
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by bugregshu View Post
                                I don't have the time to scour through threads right now looking for these things, but here are a few things that took just a couple minutes to find.

                                Braves4Life - Well, I guess next year is going to just SUCK!

                                Bufan14 - I am incredibly mad/sad right now. If we lose all those players this year will look great compared to what next year will be. We had a chance to be something great next year, now we will probably finish at the bottom again....

                                AirPetey - I HATE all the JL haters. Be careful what you ask for!! The grass is not always greener on the other side!!

                                AE Braves Fan - If you hate losing then you better find another hobby for the next 3-4 years. -HA - it will become a full scale plummet. Maybe Joanne will be able to move down in the stands a bit or find a good camera zone seat. -This team is going to be really bad for several years when we could have just kept Les and won the conference next year.

                                Da Coach - The team next year will bear very little resemblance to anything we now see.

                                Dub - Having said that, Goodwill Industries is about to recieve a large donation of Bradley gear which I have already started sadly to box up. After the decision made today, to me this administration has transformed Bradley Basketball into something unrecognizable from the program I fell in love with.

                                Tornado - I am still a Bradley fan but have a bad feel for the direction all BU sports programs are headed...
                                Guess I just took them differently. I took it as some fans being concerned with the program. Hope everyone is ok now with the new hire, I am. Just don't think we need to be stirring the pot by asking where the naysayers are.
                                What part of illegal don't you understand?

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