Scott Sutton anyone?

[tornado]

..Sutton ..lost 3 starters and had 10 scholarship players available and still managed to win 20 games...

--they did not win 20 games...they were 19-16, but only 6-11 against non-conference opponents...and they played a very weak non-con schedule with the likes of UALR twice, Rice, IUPUI, and they play in one of the weakest conferences in the US -- and even lost to IPFW, Akron, ND State..

--of their five starters -- three of them were healthy enough to play all 35 games, one 34 games, and the other only missed four games and played 31-starting 30 of them. So can someone let me in on who those 3 starters were who were injured?

--if by chance you are referring to 2010-2011, then the only key player, point guard Rod Pearson - ACL, still was averaging only 4 ppg, 2 apg when he went out...(even now - a full year later he's a 5 ppg, 3 apg player -- not at all the same as losing SM + TB)
They had at least other guys of equal talent to fill in...and no other starter missed any significant games.
Again, their 20 wins were largely a result of playing games against D-II's and whupping up on their conference opponents (13-5) who consist of WIU, Centenary, IPFW, ND State...

[Tulsa Brave]

--they did not win 20 games...they were 19-16, but only 6-11 against non-conference opponents...and they played a very weak non-con schedule with the likes of UALR twice, Rice, IUPUI, and they play in one of the weakest conferences in the US -- and even lost to IPFW, Akron, ND State..

--of their five starters -- three of them were healthy enough to play all 35 games, one 34 games, and the other only missed four games and played 31-starting 30 of them. So can someone let me in on who those 3 starters were who were injured?

--if by chance you are referring to 2010-2011, then the only key player, point guard Rod Pearson - ACL, still was averaging only 4 ppg, 2 apg when he went out...(even now - a full year later he's a 5 ppg, 3 apg player -- not at all the same as losing SM + TB)
They had at least other guys of equal talent to fill in...and no other starter missed any significant games.
Again, their 20 wins were largely a result of playing games against D-II's and whupping up on their conference opponents (13-5) who consist of WIU, Centenary, IPFW, ND State...

They played the MVC's lone NCAA team this year and also lost at MSU. I saw them a lot this year...they'd have smoked Bradley...good athletes and good shooters. That weak non-conference schedule included games at Missouri State, Tulsa, Utah, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Miami. I didn't even include "weak" NCAA teams like Indiana State and UALR. Obviously we have very different definitions of "very weak non conference schedule". How can anyone say their non-con schedule was weaker than Bradley's? Not even close...

[Toyota12]

So he obviously recruited enough players into his system that could give him depth...Also did a good job of developement with ALL the players on roster not just some of the favorite pets...Remember what ever league you are in you are coaching at a DI school and you are required in todays NCAA to win win or be dismissed in any league..If you remain successful at any school for an extended period of time you keep your job or get offered better jobs!!! This is not a JL SLAM!!!

[tornado]

..weak non-conference schedule included games at Missouri State, Tulsa, Utah, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Miami. .....

Those might be name schools but they are NOT a strong non-sched when you consider this..they lost to all those guys.....
You can't brag about the power of your schedule unless you actually beat someone!!

-Missouri State..They LOST by 17 and Missouri State might be the upper crust of the Valley, but really much more than NIT worthy
-Tulsa..ORU got creamed again
-Utah.. Utah was pretty weak this year, 18 losses, we almost beat 'em and they finished at the bottom of the MWC
-Texas Tech -- again, ORU lost to a pretty mild Texas Tech team who fired Pat Knight for how bad they were this year
-Oklahoma -- ditto -- there's a reason they also fired their coach -- Oklahoma was BAD. Ordinarily HAD THEY BEATEN Oklahoma it's a feather in your cap, but not this year, anyway -- they lost by double digits.
-Missouri -- tough team I agree -- but again they got smoked by 20 -- so I really can't buy that this helps your argument
-Miami -- smoked again...so they went 1-6 against the seven teams you named

[TheAsianSensation]

--they did not win 20 games...they were 19-16, but only 6-11 against non-conference opponents...and they played a very weak non-con schedule with the likes of UALR twice, Rice, IUPUI, and they play in one of the weakest conferences in the US -- and even lost to IPFW, Akron, ND State..

Oral Roberts non-conference SoS 93

IUPUI isn't even a non-con game and they finished ahead of ORU in the league. UALR was a tournament team, Rice a CUSA team, if that's the worst you can list...


And that very weak non-con includes road trips to Missouri and Missouri St...Tulsa...traveled to 2 Big 12 bottom feeders, sure, Miami, Indiana St...



I mean, think what you want to think about the coach, that's not my place to tell you, but at least represent the facts correctly. Or at least try.

[mrcoachdude]

About the same result as people who attack others for not conforming...


Jack squat!

not sure who is being attacked for not conforming or even what we are to be conforming to...but JL is gone and why we still see the need to drag him through the mud is beyond me...why?

Is it so the folks that wanted JL gone can keep boasting and reminding others how bad he was...again I ask why?

And lastly this is a terrible comparison...TB and SM potential all conference vs ORU guys that don't start or have very little impact.....that is just plain nuts...

[cpacmel]

Oral Roberts non-conference SoS 93

Ken Pomeroy has Oral Roberts non-conference SoS at 44

[TheAsianSensation]

Ken Pomeroy has Oral Roberts non-conference SoS at 44

Gee, on the one hand, massive statistical analysis that shows that ORU had a good schedule

or

tornado's claim that it was a weak SoS

I'm not sure what to believe


I forget, is kenpom's SoS numbers based on record or his own efficiency numbers?

[Bravesfan]

Hinson's a good coach but, if memory serves, he never made the NCAA tourney once as coach of Missouri State, right?

I'd have no problem at all with Scott Sutton. Have you checked out his conference record at ORU? Holy smokes - 136-58 (.701). Pretty hard to argue with that, even if The Summit League isn't the MVC. In the last eight seasons, he's finished 1st four times, 2nd three times and third once. A winner.

Come on! Did you forget he did finish in the top 3 quite a few more times than Les did? How come Hinson still get flack for not making the NCAA Tournament when he was screwed out of the tournament twice by the committee? How is it that his fault?

[Bravesfan]

Gee, on the one hand, massive statistical analysis that shows that ORU had a good schedule

or

tornado's claim that it was a weak SoS

I'm not sure what to believe


I forget, is kenpom's SoS numbers based on record or his own efficiency numbers?

Well it sounds like Sutton schedules tough, but that's a bit easier in the Summit League where most of their teams our early season fodder for the BCS boys.

That said though, I think Sutton would be a good choice as he has finished in the top 3 of the Summit League 9 of the last 10 seasons. Plus three trips to the Big Dance certainly would qualify him as a very good coach too.