More coach firings...Loyola's Jim Whitesell, Oklahoma's Jeff Capel..

[afan]

What about Dana Altman?

??????He wasn't fired, was he?

[tornado]

What about Dana Altman?

yeah -- who fired Dana Altman??

[it's boogie time]

Kansas State parted ways with Dana Altman in '94 after going 4-10 in the Big 8. He was 19-37 (.339) in conference in his four years as the Wildcats coach. That didn't go over too well since Lon Kruger had taken them to the NCAA tournament the prior four years thanks to players like Mitch Richmond.

[lefty]

Kansas State parted ways with Dana Altman in '94 after going 4-10 in the Big 8. He was 19-37 (.339) in conference in his four years as the Wildcats coach. That didn't go over too well since Lon Kruger had taken them to the NCAA tournament the prior four years thanks to players like Mitch Richmond.

nice one boogie

[tornado]

Hmmm..maybe not so nice, lefty........... but I am sure we won't convince everyone....
First -- if you have to dig back 17 years to find one possible example then I think the case is proven...but I am even going to burst your bubble on this one as I do NOT believe Dana was fired at K-State...he left by a mutual agreement -- he just walked away and took what he deemed a better job....

Dana won 20 games at K-State in 1994 and made the Final Four of the NIT that year -- hardly a situation to fire the guy when he had a lot of good talent coming back!
Despite that I have seen and heard a few people -- 15 years after the fact - claim he was fired at K-State, I don't recall it that way....
So -- I believe he was NOT fired by K-State...I have seen statements that he chose to go to Creighton to get away from the incessant pressure to win at K-State and please the big money boosters...and the pay at that time wasn't all that much to step away from...

Here's a 1994 article and never once mentions Altman being fired at K-State -- I find that odd unless maybe he wasn't fired...

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/01/sports/sports-people-basketball-new-coach-at-creighton.html?src=pm

and his bio says he left K-State after four successful years to take the Creighton job...

http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=204936844

[it's boogie time]

Thanks for the laugh. You're smart enough to remember the shape Creighton was in after the Rick Johnson era. You've probably even been to the Omaha Civic Auditorium . It certainly wasn't the job that McDermott immediately took after parting ways with Iowa State.

[tornado]

if you do a search -- you'll find a couple posts on message boards debating this..
...and I suspect there was something up at K-State that made it hard to get or keep a coach around that time period....
and a couple are people who claim they were close to the situation and argue strongly that Dana did not get fired...and that's how I recall it...

Look back...in the 12 years before Dana won 20 in 1994 and went to the NIT Final Four, K-State had only won 20 or more twice...so I can't believe when Dana won 20 in 1994 that was all that displeasing to the K-State fans...
but still - Dana bolted.......

Then after Dana left -- there was something definitely amiss...
as they hired a guy named Tom Asbury who barely won at Pepperdine -- showing how hard pressed K-State must have been to get just about anyone in there after Dana.......
Asbury replaced Dana and promptly went 12-15 and then went FIVE more years before he was able to win 20 games...then oddly a year later he was gone..

[it's boogie time]

Lon Kruger 81-43, 34-22
1986–87 Kansas State 20–11, 8–6
1987–88 Kansas State 25–9, 11–3
1988–89 Kansas State 19–11, 8–6
1989–90 Kansas State 17–15, 7–7

Dana Altman 68-54, 19-37
1990–1991 Kansas State 13-15, 3-11
1991–1992 Kansas State 16-14, 5-9
1992–1993 Kansas State 19-11, 7-7
1993–1994 Kansas State 20-14, 4-10

When your best conference record is the same as the worst of your predecessor, the natives tend to be restless. It probably didn't help that Lon Kruger was in the Final Four at the end of the 1994 season.

[lefty]

Now I forgot what we were talking about...oh yeah.....Well I still think it's possible that you can hire someone who was fired and they can still do a good job....especially if they had been successful at other places before

[SFP]

The guide book on how to let go one of your own.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6220369

[Braves4Life]

The guide book on how to let go one of your own.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6220369

Exactly SFP! Sidney Lowe was allowed to leave with his pride and his dignity and he exemplified class with his parting statement..... as did AD Yow.

What a shame that Bradley lifer and hero Jim Les was not afforded this same courtesy. Shame on you Bradley!

[afan]

Exactly SFP! Sidney Lowe was allowed to leave with his pride and his dignity and he exemplified class with his parting statement..... as did AD Yow.

What a shame that Bradley lifer and hero Jim Les was not afforded this same courtesy. Shame on you Bradley!

I agree 100%!!!