PJS - Possible Candidates

[TylerDurden]

Interesting idea, but I doubt many ADs or University presidents would ever consider this.

The number of high school coaches hired at midmajors or above that ever had any success can be counted on one hand.

And knowing JG and MC a bit, I can say with fairly high certainty it ain't gonna happen here.

I expect a quality hire that will be someone few could question. Whether he is successful here will remain to be seen.

This is a good point. Hiring coaches is largely a crap shoot. People like to think that it isn't, but it is.

You can have all the data in the world, but it's a relationship business on every level for a coach -- coach-player, coach-AD, coach-fan, coach-media, coach-assistants, coach-donors, coach-officials, coach-recruits, etc.

Add that every institution is different in how it operates and you can see how there are many factors that could make a seemingly ideal candidate not achieve as expected.

[SaintLouBrave22]

This is a good point. Hiring coaches is largely a crap shoot. People like to think that it isn't, but it is.

You can have all the data in the world, but it's a relationship business on every level for a coach -- coach-player, coach-AD, coach-fan, coach-media, coach-assistants, coach-donors, coach-officials, coach-recruits, etc.

Add that every institution is different in how it operates and you can see how there are many factors that could make a seemingly ideal candidate not achieve as expected.

Good points and also why I don't think people should be throwin Lickliter out there without completely knowing how Bradley and Butler really compare in every facet you listed there

[thefish7]

Speaking of fit... Been doing some reading about Sydney Johnson, who for a number of reasons sounds like an interesting candidate... Seems like he's a princeton offense guy. Is that a thing people would want at BU?

[SFP]

I have to disagree with this statement, 450 to 500,00 is a lot more then 250 plus most asst"s want a head job, Bradley should be considered way above Toledo and Wis-GB , remember that Gregory interviewed for the BU job the last time and only pulled out because we did not offer enough at that time, no reason why we cannot get one of these guys:
Montgomery
Lusk
Gard
Mueller
Amaker may not be as good a fit as these 4 guys because these 4 have great midwest ties that will be very important in recruiting and they are learning from some of the best coaches in the country.

The one thing I am glad about JG team is that they do not conform to that a coach has to have mid-west ties. Would I add it as a positive, yes but it would not be one of the major factors I would consider. I would take charismatic leadership and the ability to sell over mid-west ties any day. Huggins landed a pretty good recruiting class when he went to K-State, Calipari did a pretty good job recruiting at Memphis and I would have to believe neither one had ties to their neighborhood but are great salesmen (some would say snake oil salesmen) like it or not. I can name countless coaches with mid-west ties who could not recruit period. This is 2011 and with today's communication a coach should be able to recruit wherever he needs to. Think small be small.

[SaintLouBrave22]

Ok uh comparing Huggins and Coach Cal to whatever we end up with will be apples to oranges IMO, plus it's beneficial to recruit the area as the better players from the area all seem to be heading to Big Ten and other Valley schools...

Also, do you really think you're gonna take good game changing players from CA, VA, NY, NC, TX, FL?


No you're not, and if we bring someone in and they can't recruit Chicago, STL, Indy, etc they will fall on their face!

[Fetz86]

. . . This is 2011 and with today's communication a coach should be able to recruit wherever he needs to. Think small be small.

I agree that the head coach does not need to have ties to the area at all. I think the head coach is the one who closes the deal, but I think in many cases its an assistant who gets the programs foot in the door, so to speak, with most of the recruits. I do agree with you too SLB, in that it will be important to recruit the StL, Chi, and Indy metros areas too.

[BSSFan#1]

Jerance Howard is only 30 years old. He has no x's and o's coaching experience. Don't you think that we can do better than that? Hiring Jerrance Howard would be a mistake of monumental proportions...please ....think about what you are saying...

Please, tell me where I have ever, ever posted I think BU should hire Jerrance Howard!

I merely posted information that responds to the thought of Howard being hired and bringing Illini recruits with him. I pointed out that the only one who could come, without a release, is Devin Langford.

Don't know if it's in this thread or another one but I've said BE CAREFUL OF HIRING ANYONE WITH TIES TO WWW.

Reading comprehension!

[SaintLouBrave22]

I agree that the head coach does not need to have ties to the area at all. I think the head coach is the one who closes the deal, but I think in many cases its an assistant who gets the programs foot in the door, so to speak, with most of the recruits. I do agree with you too SLB, in that it will be important to recruit the StL, Chi, and Indy metros areas too.

Btw, just for that matter, pull up Purdue's roster...have a look at where their players are from...should tell you all you need to know about how I feel about recruiting the Midwest

[ph]

Reading between the lines of MC's comments about our BCS-level ammenities and budget comments, I would think he's looking for BCS experience in the coach..

[real fan]

The one thing I am glad about JG team is that they do not conform to that a coach has to have mid-west ties. Would I add it as a positive, yes but it would not be one of the major factors I would consider. I would take charismatic leadership and the ability to sell over mid-west ties any day. Huggins landed a pretty good recruiting class when he went to K-State, Calipari did a pretty good job recruiting at Memphis and I would have to believe neither one had ties to their neighborhood but are great salesmen (some would say snake oil salesmen) like it or not. I can name countless coaches with mid-west ties who could not recruit period. This is 2011 and with today's communication a coach should be able to recruit wherever he needs to. Think small be small.

You are bringing up big time BCS programs with coaches that do not graduate players, those coaches can get players from anywhere, we all have seen how well BU getting players from all over has worked out which is why we are in the boat that we are in, Versace was successful because he knew that you needed to recruit the best players from your area and got Chicago, St.Louis and a few local players, there are so many good players in a 250 mile radius to choose from and when you build a great program with these players you may be able to go outside of it after you win some championships, Illinois, Indiana and Missouri have plenty of talent to choose from.

[SFP]

You are bringing up big time BCS programs with coaches that do not graduate players, those coaches can get players from anywhere, we all have seen how well BU getting players from all over has worked out which is why we are in the boat that we are in, Versace was successful because he knew that you needed to recruit the best players from your area and got Chicago, St.Louis and a few local players, there are so many good players in a 250 mile radius to choose from and when you build a great program with these players you may be able to go outside of it after you win some championships, Illinois, Indiana and Missouri have plenty of talent to choose from.

Not once did I say we should not recruit close to home. All I said is that the HC does not need to have mid-west ties. If he does not, it does not mean he cannot bring in an assistant who does!

[real fan]

Btw, just for that matter, pull up Purdue's roster...have a look at where their players are from...should tell you all you need to know about how I feel about recruiting the Midwest

Nice to see someone else on here that has done his research, Purdue recruits locally because there is so much talent in this area, we didn"t and look how that has worked out, one of the many reasons why I was not happy with A.Brooks III as our recruiter, no connections in this area.

[SFP]

Another hot coach is Rex Walters. The job he has done with USF has been one of the best kept secrets in college ball.

[Da Coach]

I understand your point, but Purdue and how they recruit is a world away from Bradley and schools like Bradley have to recruit. Purdue can pretty much get whatever recruit they choose.
Bradley, otoh, will miss on 95% of the kids they target, no matter who is coach. And though there is a lot of talent in Chicago, every one of the top 50-100 programs in the country recruit them. I will bet that whoever the next coach is, they will not be able to recruit Illinois and especially the Peoria area kids any better than Jim Les did.

Just look at the rosters of schools in Chicago-Loyola, UIC, Northwestern, etc. The majority of them are not from Chicago, and a lot of them from outside of Illinois. Also, not many kids that BU could have gotten, or would have benefitted from if they could have.

[SaintLouBrave22]

I understand your point, but Purdue and how they recruit is a world away from Bradley and schools like Bradley have to recruit. Purdue can pretty much get whatever recruit they choose.
Bradley, otoh, will miss on 95% of the kids they target, no matter who is coach. And though there is a lot of talent in Chicago, every one of the top 50-100 programs in the country recruit them. I will bet that whoever the next coach is, they will not be able to recruit Illinois and especially the Peoria area kids any better than Jim Les did.

Just look at the rosters of schools in Chicago-Loyola, UIC, Northwestern, etc. The majority of them are not from Chicago, and a lot of them from outside of Illinois. Also, not many kids that BU could have gotten, or would have benefitted from if they could have.

And there are plenty of guys Bradley missed on that teams like UNI, SIU, Indiana State, Drake, and others have taken that were in a fairly narrow radius to BU...so what's your point?

I believe a good coach and great recruiter with ties to the area should be able to get more talent to come to Bradley...