Redshirt Question

[LG281]

Ok...so I got to thinking about the coaching situation and have a question for those who know more about it than I.

For guys like Sammy and Taylor who have a medical redshirt...would they be able to leave (if Les is let go) and not have to sit out a year with a transfer since they already havent been playing?

Not starting a rumor or trying to raise a ruckus...just wondering.

Help? Thoughts?

[Big Mike]

Ok...so I got to thinking about the coaching situation and have a question for those who know more about it than I.

For guys like Sammy and Taylor who have a medical redshirt...would they be able to leave (if Les is let go) and not have to sit out a year with a transfer since they already havent been playing?

Not starting a rumor or trying to raise a ruckus...just wondering.

Help? Thoughts?

Doesn't TB have to complete his eligibility before he can apply...therefore not applying (for med-R/S) til after next season if given the OK to play again?

[tornado]

ordinarily there is NO exclusion to the sitting out one year when you transfer to any other D-I..
but there are two types of waivers...
-hardship like Jake Kelly got so he could transfer & be closer to home and play right away
-and grad students can transfer without penalty...but the end of this season Sammy and poss. Will will be grad students

TB does not have a redshirt year -- he has only one season left so he cannot transfer to another D-I without some pretty unusual waiver

[mexicobufan]

It would be hard to believe we may not see SM in a BU uniform again. I have enjoyed watching him play about as much as any BU player. I know some things would have to happen for him not to be back but it could happen.

I want to see a starting line up next year like this.

SM
DSE
TB
JP
WE

[ph]

According to this article, Bradley would have to release Sam if he wanted to transfer: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/sp...ncmcgrath.html
And why would we want to do that?

[SFP]

According to this article, Bradley would have to release Sam if he wanted to transfer: nytimes.com/2010/08/06/sports/basketball/06cncmcgrath.html.
And why would we want to do that?

Not true. If he has completed his undergrad and BU does not offer a graduate program that he wants then he has the right to transfer to a University that offers that program and can play right away.

[Da Coach]

I believe it is true, as outlined in that NY Times article. It is very rare that a school would screw a kid by not releasing them, but that is what NIU did to Sean Kowal. I think Bradley would release Sam.

[tornado]

Here's a break from the NCAA ---


Virginia has a kid who played 10 games out of their 31 game schedule this past seaosn then was injured...

The rules specifically say if you play more than 30% of your team's scheduled games, then you do NOT qualify for a redhisrt year...so 30% would be 9.3 games, thus the kid played too many games to qualify for the redshirt rule.

BUT -- this is Virginia of the ACC -- It just so happens he's their best player averaging 16 ppg, 10 rpg...and guess what -- the NCAA went outside their own guidelines and granted the player an extra year of eligibility.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-acc-beat-0506-20110505,0,7536352.story

Hmmm...

[LittleBrave]

Here's a break from the NCAA ---


Virginia has a kid who played 10 games out of their 31 game schedule this past seaosn then was injured...

The rules specifically say if you play more than 30% of your team's scheduled games, then you do NOT qualify for a redhisrt year...so 30% would be 9.3 games, thus the kid played too many games to qualify for the redshirt rule.

BUT -- this is Virginia of the ACC -- It just so happens he's their best player averaging 16 ppg, 10 rpg...and guess what -- the NCAA went outside their own guidelines and granted the player an extra year of eligibility.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-acc-beat-0506-20110505,0,7536352.story

Hmmm...

So he got injured in his 11th game?
If it happened DURING the 10th game, I could understand the situation of granting him a redshirt. If he played 10 full games, they are breaking their own rules.

[tornado]

the rule stats that he must have played in no MORE than 30% of his team's scheduled games.

10 games out of 31 equals 32.3% of his team's games...so technically he does not qualify for a "medical redshirt"
BUT -- the NCAA can issue a waiver on an individual basis any time they want as they did to Sam Singh and S< bit those were well established waiver situations -- this one is NOT and is kind of a rarity


Here again are the rules per NCAA for a medical redshirt (injury waiver)
Here's the exact wording from the NCAA manual (pg 137)



14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference
or the Academics/Eligibility/Compliance Cabinet for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an
incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised:
8/02)
(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two year
or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year
in high school;
(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the completion of the first half of the playing season that concludes with
the NCAA championship in that sport (measured by the number of scheduled contests or dates of competition
not exceeding the maximum limitations in each sport as set forth in Bylaw 17 as set prior to the first
scheduled contest or date of competition of the designated official NCAA championship playing season in
the applicable sport or the number of completed contests or dates of competition) and results in incapacity
to compete for the remainder of that playing season; and
(c) The injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates
of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the
institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or
completed competition (including exempted events but excluding scrimmages and exhibition contests identi-
fied as such in the legislation) against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the
NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that
sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number
of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled
or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stan/genrel/auto_pdf/2007-08_d1_manual.pdf

[jeffsu]

I Agree that it wasn't the norm but I'm glad that a kid who played ONE game too many got a break here. NCAA and BCS aside, that would be a huge bummer for a kid to be done because of that. Wish they would be more consistent about being fair, but glad it happened.

[TheAsianSensation]

The NCAA rules say that you always round up if the 30% calculation results in a non-integer. So 9.3 automatically rounds up to 10. 9.01 would automatically round up to 10 too.

[LittleBrave]

The NCAA rules say that you always round up if the 30% calculation results in a non-integer. So 9.3 automatically rounds up to 10. 9.01 would automatically round up to 10 too.

So it wasn't really a break - he was justly given the redshirt, since 9.3 of 31 should be rounded to 10 of 31 if that is the rule (the one TAS noted above), though I didn't see that side-note of "rounding up" in T's post that included the description of the hardship waiver.
Whatever the case, I hope we don't have to worry about it for the Braves any time soon.

[TheAsianSensation]

So it wasn't really a break - he was justly given the redshirt, since 9.3 of 31 should be rounded to 10 of 31 if that is the rule (the one TAS noted above), though I didn't see that side-note of "rounding up" in T's post that included the description of the hardship waiver.
Whatever the case, I hope we don't have to worry about it for the Braves any time soon.

For the record, it's rule 14.2.4.3.6.2 in the monstrosity that is the NCAA rulebook that t linked to.