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[Beninator]

I would like to see our own administration give the same kind of commonly expected and proper support to our guys -- especially given that half the basketball coaching staff are THEIR people now......is it asking too much?

I have absolutely ZERO confidence in the current administration, which is the ONLY thing keeping me neutral with our coaching situation!

[Buesch N Chips]

You can find stats to support any position.

[canadian]

I would like to see our own administration give the same kind of commonly expected and proper support to our guys -- especially given that half the basketball coaching staff are THEIR people now......is it asking too much?

Well...maybe they don't give the support because they don't support him.

[canadian]

The reason I disagree so strongly with this logic, is that Bradley's decline this year has a lot to do with the season-long injuries to key players, the lack of depth it resulted in, and the guys having to play out of position.
If the decline was solely due to poor performance or poor recruiting, then I think your point is valid. But to compare Jim Les' situation with other coaches who simply were not effective with their coaching or recruiting, or got old or or didn't care anymore is not a fair comparison.

Da Coach...honest question. In your hypothetical world of no injuries what would the starting five have been this year? Do you get to use fifth-year seniors Dodie and Andrew who are only on the roster BECAUSE of injuries?

FYI--lack of depth and guys playing out of position IS poor recruiting. You get 13 scholarships, not six or seven. Bradley had the guys to play proper positions, they just weren't very good at it.

[Da Coach]

Please, stop this illogical issue that you and one or two others keep bringing up that somehow injuries are an advantage because you get the player back for a 5th year. Do you realize how silly that logic is? No matter how many injury years a player has, he can only play for a maximum of 4 years, and in Taylor Brown's case, maybe just 3 years. And in almost every case, the serious injuries like those suffered by Andrew Warren, Sam Maniscalco, Will Egolf, Sam Singh, and Dodie Dunson only serve to diminish their skills when they do return. So, no more of this illogical stuff about counting injuries as an advantage. They are a severe impediment to success no matter how you look at them, and if you are trying to suggest they didn't severely affect this season, I think most reasonable fans would strongly disagree.

I haven't spent a lot of time thinking what lineup I would have liked to see. I'll leave that to others, and to the coaches. But we heard talk of seeing a bigger lineup which disappeared with TBs ailment. Taylor would have played 35 mpg and probably that would have kept WE out of a lot of foul trouble and on the floor more and made him a more effective player. And no doubt Sammy would have been the PG and played 35 minutes a game. I think DD would have come off the bench for most of the year.

[TNel]

The fact that they have not speaks volumes.......

BINGO! The silence is deafening.

[srw]

Please, stop this illogical issue that you and one or two others keep bringing up that somehow injuries are an advantage because you get the player back for a 5th year. Do you realize how silly that logic is? No matter how many injury years a player has, he can only play for a maximum of 4 years, and in Taylor Brown's case, maybe just 3 years. And in almost every case, the serious injuries like those suffered by Andrew Warren, Sam Maniscalco, Will Egolf, Sam Singh, and Dodie Dunson only serve to diminish their skills when they do return. So, no more of this illogical stuff about counting injuries as an advantage. They are a severe impediment to success no matter how you look at them, and if you are trying to suggest they didn't severely affect this season, I think most reasonable fans would strongly disagree.

I haven't spent a lot of time thinking what lineup I would have liked to see. I'll leave that to others, and to the coaches. But we heard talk of seeing a bigger lineup which disappeared with TBs ailment. Taylor would have played 35 mpg and probably that would have kept WE out of a lot of foul trouble and on the floor more and made him a more effective player. And no doubt Sammy would have been the PG and played 35 minutes a game. I think DD would have come off the bench for most of the year.

I have no idea who you are calling illogical here, but I will assume its me. I am aware its hard to compete with your papers.

1) Of course this year was hurt by the injuries
2)Of course a player in his 5th year is better than in his 2nd or 3rd unless the injury is permanently debilitating (See andrew)
3)Of course without injuries AW wouldnt be here this year either would Dodi.
4)So your argument is that with the 30 games 2 years ago, somehow Egolf would be a smarter better player. I say no.

[panther12thman]

I strongly feel the JL should get another year for a variety of reasons, including the loss of two starters this year to injury and the chance to use the new facility as a recruiting tool for more than just one year. It is scary to think who this administration would hire if JL is dismissed. I have absolutely zero confidence in the President or A.D. Those who talk about a national search for a high quality replacement just look at the choice of this President for the A.D. job, not exactly a top tier person with midwest connections - add this to recent hires at the hilltopic and there is nothing to lead anyone to believe that these two have any connections that would lead to top notch candidates. To the contrary their track record is more likely to scare away quality candidates. At the last home game I talked to two former high school coaches, both retired, one with ties to BU and the other a BU fan and asked them their opinion of JL, JG and MC. Both felt that getting rid of JL after this season with what happened to Sam and Taylor would be crazy and both just laughed and said they thought our President was a joke and neither knew the A.D. well enough to comment.

[tornado]

Well...maybe they don't give the support because they don't support him.

but I count that attitude as simlar to someone who won't even support their own kid in a T-ball game because the team is getting beat -- it is irresponsible and offends a proportion of the current supporters who you'd think the admin would want to avoid offending in these difficult economic times......

[Da Coach]

I have no idea who you are calling illogical here, but I will assume its me. I am aware its hard to compete with your papers.

1) Of course this year was hurt by the injuries
2)Of course a player in his 5th year is better than in his 2nd or 3rd unless the injury is permanently debilitating (See andrew)
3)Of course without injuries AW wouldnt be here this year either would Dodi.
4)So your argument is that with the 30 games 2 years ago, somehow Egolf would be a smarter better player. I say no.

First, I was not referring to you. I did not know that you were one who believes there is an advantage to having serious season-ending injuries.

A player will always be more successful and productive if he can play out his career without a serious injury. Is this even in question?
And a team will have more success and more sustained success if they can compete with a full roster, and without key starters and All-MVC caliber players suffering injury for entire seasons, and forcing teams to play kids out of position and more minutes that was planned.
There is no way I or any coach would agree that it is an advantage for a kid to play 5 years, because he suffered a season-long serious injury and got the extra year. It virtually never is the case.
I agree that a 5th year player who redshirts for a minor injury or for a non-injury redshirt stands a good chance at being better his 5th year, but even that is not a guarantee (see AT). However, that is not what we are talking about here.

The "fire Jim Les" people keep saying "it's not just about this year" and "it's about his body of work". But now you are parsing things down to one facet of this season and trying to make a case that Jim Les got an advantage this season by AW, DD, and WE being severely injured and forced to redshirt past seasons. That is what is ridiculous. Clearly it has been a severe disadvantage, and in many ways.
How many more AWs or other good players could Bradley have recruited if they did not have numerous injuries tieing up scholarships for entire seasons?

[squirrelgotdead]

but I count that attitude as simlar to someone who won't even support their own kid in a T-ball game because the team is getting beat -- it is irresponsible and offends a proportion of the current supporters who you'd think the admin would want to avoid offending in these difficult economic times......

When did T-Ball become a million-dollar business? And they don't even keep score in T-ball.

[srw]

BINGO! The silence is deafening.

To be fair. I wouldnt say anything either.

Before we criticize the administration the season needs to end.

Then IMO if they are going to keep him, they have to say....

either
Jims our guy (If he really has two forced assitants, as Tornado seems to imply, then clearly he isnt their guy, and is only there because the money is too high to let him go)

Jims resigned to pursure other opportunities

Jim had bad injuries. Next year we expect
X
Y
Z


They cannot stay quiet and do nothing. Because other coaches absolutely are going to be recruiting against the BU coaching instability.

[srw]

When did T-Ball become a million-dollar business? And they don't even keep score in T-ball.

Tornado...A good hire and these said people will be paying the same money they always have.

[canadian]

I did not know that you were one who believes there is an advantage to having serious season-ending injuries.

Da Coach--you are missing the logic. I never once said that injuries "help" a team. But, without injuries to the Bradley players this roster would NOT have Andrew Warren and Dodie Dunson---agreed? So you can't use the "no injuries" logic without looking at it in the big picture. You are focusing on certain aspects.

Without question, this team is much better WITH Andrew Warren and Dodie Dunson, who would not be on the roster were it not for injuries. Correct? So, in reality, when playing games in hypothetical world the team would have Sam and Taylor, but wouldn't have Dodie and Andrew. Right?

The "fire Jim Les" people keep saying "it's not just about this year" and "it's about his body of work".

I only bring that stuff up because you keep bringing up the injuries. It is only in direct response to that.

It is about the body of work. You get mad whenever people bring up the body of work, the no finishes higher than 4th, under .500 league record, no relevant MVC games in the JL era, thats why it isn't talked about.

But, trust me, it's about the whole body of work and not just this year, at least for me.

[canadian]

but I count that attitude as simlar to someone who won't even support their own kid in a T-ball game because the team is getting beat -- it is irresponsible and offends a proportion of the current supporters who you'd think the admin would want to avoid offending in these difficult economic times......

I agree that nothing should be said at this point.

However, you say it is irresponsible to NOT give public support. But what if they don't believe it. Should they lie publicly just to make current supporters feel better?