Attendance Myth?

[srw]

But you were wrong about it taking five years to reach the postseason correct?

I didn't find 1992-93 excruciating at all actually. I knew it was new regime and there would be some growing pains. That team got better and better as the year went on with young players. Remember that team played great in the MVC Tourney and nearly knocked off #1 seed SIU. I remember fans being very, very excited about the future.

Maybe you remember it differently.

I do admit--if BU changes coaches there might be some growing pains. That is a part of the process.

It was 5 years but two of them were under stanley.

The thing is...We are already 4 years into the process anyway.

IMO you cannot count the cbi and cit. They are not relevant postseason tournaments.

[Da Coach]

FYI...Duane was never the shooting guard. Its a bit piece here, but he was never a shooting guard, ever.

Why do you assume it will be so bad now, when it wasn't so bad when JL arrived.

Do you feel that the new coach will have as many discipline issues as Mo had to deal with?

I don't. I also dont believe there will be near the exodus you do. Hey the players may even be saying that.

But the straw man is the next coach now. Not a real person, with real personalities and skills

Andy Bastock, Xanthus Houston, and Scott Behrends were not discipline issues. Most of it was assumed or perceived by Mo, who had an extremely different set of standards of behavior than Albeck (who had virtually none). An earring was the issue with Bastock, and was not allowable by Mo. Anyone who follows Les will have it easy by comparison.

[amckillip]

Andy Bastock, Xanthus Houston, and Scott Behrends were not discipline issues. Most of it was assumed or perceived by Mo, who had an extremely different set of standards of behavior than Albeck (who had virtually none). An earring was the issue with Bastock, and was not allowable by Mo. Anyone who follows Les will have it easy by comparison.

Can you explain this comment? I'm not sure I understand it. I was under the impression that JL was a pretty strict disciplinarian... (a fact I like about him)

[squirrelgotdead]

It was 5 years but two of them were under stanley.

The thing is...We are already 4 years into the process anyway.

IMO you cannot count the cbi and cit. They are not relevant postseason tournaments.

Exactly. Or if you do, you must concede Mo (starting in 1994) probably would've only missed the postseason 2 times (and maybe he even gets one in 2000 despite being below .500) if they existed. So you are looking at a participation rate of 7/9 vs. 4/9. And more of the NIT variety.

[tornado]

FYI...Duane was never the shooting guard. Its a bit piece here, but he was never a shooting guard, ever....

I know -- that's what Da Coach is saying -- we had NO BETTER shooting guard than Duane Broussard -- that was it....
pretty lean years where we were still routinely scoreless after the first TV timeout...and we often finished the game with as little as 37, 40, and 45 points.....

[canadian]

I know -- that's what Da Coach is saying -- we had NO BETTER shooting guard than Duane Broussard -- that was it....
pretty lean years where we were still routinely scoreless after the first TV timeout...and we often finished the game with as little as 37, 40, and 45 points.....

Yep..and in two years Coach Mo and Bradley started a very impressive four-year run. In fact, you could say it started the second half of his second season.

The evidence is there that a new coach can turn the Bradley program around in 2-3 years--easily. Why so much doom and gloom now? Why don't you think it can happen?

[tornado]

Why don't you think it can happen?

you must have missed the 100 posts I have made in the past few days thoroughly explaining why I beleive this...they are easy to find...

[canadian]

you must have missed the 100 posts I have made in the past few days thoroughly explaining why I beleive this...they are easy to find...

Wouldn't a true Bradley fan be optimistic that the Braves will be successful regardless who the new coach is?

Is it about loyalty to the program or to a certain individual?

I know you seem to think all of these players will leave and that will cause Bradley to struggle for five years. I tend to disagree and factual evidence backs that up.

[BradleyBrave]

Wouldn't a true Bradley fan be optimistic that the Braves will be successful regardless who the new coach is?

Is it about loyalty to the program or to a certain individual?

I know you seem to think all of these players will leave and that will cause Bradley to struggle for five years. I tend to disagree and factual evidence backs that up.

I wondered the same things.

BU proved it could be successful with an unconventional hire. I find it amazing that some of the biggest 'fans' think we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire.

I think BU is a great place with a ton to offer, and will attract some great candidates should the position ever become available again.

[srw]

Can you explain this comment? I'm not sure I understand it. I was under the impression that JL was a pretty strict disciplinarian... (a fact I like about him)

Da Coach let me take this one for you.

JL has good guys. The new coach will get that advantage of whomever stays.


Mo had a tough time, with a coach with no discipline, and terrible talent.

[srw]

I know -- that's what Da Coach is saying -- we had NO BETTER shooting guard than Duane Broussard -- that was it....
pretty lean years where we were still routinely scoreless after the first TV timeout...and we often finished the game with as little as 37, 40, and 45 points.....

Yes we did.

Charles White, who actually was the shooting guard.

I believe Roger Suchy came in that first Mo class, along with Patrick McCallop and Rick Harris.

This isnt really meant to be a grudge match. But we might as well have accurate data.

[srw]

I wondered the same things.

BU proved it could be successful with an unconventional hire. I find it amazing that some of the biggest 'fans' think we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire.

I think BU is a great place with a ton to offer, and will attract some great candidates should the position ever become available again.

Nice Post BBrave

[canadian]

Im personally not a huge fan of looking back. As SRW said, it shouldn't be a grudge match.

Tornado and Da Coach think Bradley is better off with Jim Les as the head coach for the future, others think a change would benefit Bradley. Nothing wrong with differing opinions.

I am more interested in looking forward than looking back. Im sure in the next couple weeks we will know if a change will be made. If it isn't, let's move forward and win. If it is, let's get on board, move forward, and win.

[Da Coach]

I wondered the same things.

BU proved it could be successful with an unconventional hire. I find it amazing that some of the biggest 'fans' think we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire.

I think BU is a great place with a ton to offer, and will attract some great candidates should the position ever become available again.

Now don't start doing the exaggeration thing. Nobody here has ever stated anything remotely similar to "we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". What I believe and what others have opined is that we would probably take a bigger step backward with a new hire, because of players and recruits leaving, than with staying the current course. Some may not believe this, but it is often the case.

[BradleyBrave]

Now don't start doing the exaggeration thing. Nobody here has ever stated anything remotely similar to "we're doomed to utter failure with a conventional hire". What I believe and what others have opined is that we would probably take a bigger step backward with a new hire, because of players and recruits leaving, than with staying the current course. Some may not believe this, but it is often the case.

Exaggeration? You're the poster who said we had 5 straight years of 'excruciating' basketball at the beginning of the Molinari era, when in fact it was only 2.

Molinari has several of the worst and most excruciating years in Bradley history after he came, and took 5 years to get Bradley back to the postseason.

Hello pot, meet kettle.