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???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12
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Originally posted by Da Coach View PostI think there are a lot of reasonable fans who feel that since Jim Les had a lot to do with raising the funds to build the new athletic facilities, he deserves a chance to coach and take advantage of them.
Originally posted by Da Coach View PostFans are free to make their own minds up, but it is disingenuous to suggest that Jim Les has not been handicapped by a serious string of bad luck injuries that have harmed his chances of success.
What if Jim is brought back next season and BU has more injuries? Should we give him another year? What if the next year there are more injuries? Does he get yet another year??
When is it time to stop blaming facilities, injuries, etc? We are talking about a decade almost.
PS. We have heard all the talking points from both sides, so I would hope no one will have a different opinion than me on this.When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Originally posted by tornado View Postjust a question if anyone has the answer...
How many head coaching hires that Dr. Glasser has made in any sport at any institution, were what anyone would call "a real success"?
Her hire to replace Travis Ford at EKU took over a tremendous NCAA-caliber team, and now, in the 27th strongest conference (yup, that's how weak the OVC is!), they are RPI 246, and SOS 324....(both worse numbers than ISU has right now!)....
and they haven't had an RPI better than 225 in five years..& have mostly been around 295-300
...so don't tell me, all you guys would take him over JL, right, you'd better get used to 300+ RPI's and SOS's
That said though, I completely agree with you tornado that a new coach does not necessarily guarantee success, though of course I would hope that if she does decide to hire a new coach that he would be successful as quickly as possible. It's just that there are a lot of recent Valley coaching hires that have either not panned out, or have had a good year or two only to sink back into mediocrity soon after. So it's not as easy as it seems to build a program into a consistent winner.
I know many here think the next coach here can be the next Dana Altman, Mark Few or Brad Stevens. But that tends to be the exception rather than the rule, and I still believe that the stability of a long time coach may be better for the immediate future of the Bradley program than a new coach. Irregardless though, I will support whoever is coaching here next year.
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Originally posted by tornado View PostHow many head coaching hires that Dr. Glasser has made in any sport at any institution, were what anyone would call "a real success"?Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final
???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™
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Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View PostI suppose if we have heard all of the arguments for both sides, DC, there wouldn't have been a need to repeat your position on JL AGAIN....and then tell others who disagree to not repeat their positions AGAIN...
Seems kinds unfair
Doesn't the prosecution always get the last argument, if they choose?
JD?
PS - No need to respond!
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Originally posted by BradleyJD View PostSo the decision to keep JL is going to be based on amount of $$ raised, not on actual basketball coaching performance?
Even the fire-Jim Les crowd has to concede he was forced to work with one of the 2 worst athletic facilities in the MVC, and in the lowest 10% among all D1. And that those poor facilities hurt Bradley's recruiting abilities. And that JL was a huge cog in the process of raising the money to build new facilities.
It is not just about raising the money, though JL should be credited for what he has done, but about giving him the chance to benefit from them to prove he is as capable of getting Bradley back to the NCAA. Sorry if that concept is not understandable.
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Originally posted by Da Coach View PostNice try again grossly distorting what is said by those you oppose.
Even the fire-Jim Les crowd has to concede he was forced to work with one of the 2 worst athletic facilities in the MVC, and in the lowest 10% among all D1. And that those poor facilities hurt Bradley's recruiting abilities. And that JL was a huge cog in the process of raising the money to build new facilities.
It is not just about raising the money, though JL should be credited for what he has done, but about giving him the chance to benefit from them to prove he is as capable of getting Bradley back to the NCAA. Sorry if that concept is not understandable.
If we finish 4th again next year with Les how many more seasons are we going to give?Can we start winning soon?
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Originally posted by Da Coach View PostNice try again grossly distorting what is said by those you oppose.
You posted this...
Originally posted by Da Coach View PostI think there are a lot of reasonable fans who feel that since Jim Les had a lot to do with raising the funds to build the new athletic facilities, he deserves a chance to coach and take advantage of them.
Originally posted by BradleyJD View PostSo the decision to keep JL is going to be based on amount of $$ raised, not on actual basketball coaching performance?
Also, I do not "oppose" anyone on this board. I may have different opinions, but I would never say I oppose anyone here.When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Originally posted by Lakeview Brave View PostMo managed to recruit with those facilities and got to the NCAA tournament. They were just as out of date in 96 as they were in 2006.
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Originally posted by tornado View Postjust a question if anyone has the answer...
How many head coaching hires that Dr. Glasser has made in any sport at any institution, were what anyone would call "a real success"?Originally posted by Beninator View PostThis is the part of the coaching change situation (if it happens) that absolutely scares me!
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Originally posted by Da Coach View PostNobody said BU would be the favorite to win the MVC. I said I thought they could win the MVC next year, not that they would be picked #1 or the favorite. Where do you think they would be picked? A lot of people on this board thought 5th was way too low this year.
You seem to diminish the team's chances based mainly on losing AW and DD. But teams lose players every year. And to count on no player getting better next season is illogical. I expect much greater contributions next year from JP, WL, JE, MK, DSE, even WE. Add a healthy SM and TB to that, and I don't see many teams any better or more experienced in the MVC. Plus there will be an infusion of new talent.
And we can all dream that every player will stay, but it almost never happens. I'll take anyone's bet in the event we have a new coach, that multiple players who have started will leave, as well as most of the recruits.
In the case we do have a coaching change, I would also bet we finish no higher than 9th for the next couple years. Long-term enough?
I will take this bet too...
9th or 10th for the next 2 years...you win.
7th or 8th..ill give you a push.
higher I win.
What do you want to bet...Money for a charity?
Two years...Or three?
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Originally posted by Braves4Life View PostI trust that AD Dr. Michael Cross will bring many winning programs to BU. He did it at Princeton and I hope and think he will do it at BU. As others have said this will not happen overnight. However, I think when we look back in 5 years BU will have several top performing programs in the MVC just like Cross helped Princeton to attain in the Ivy.
http://www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArt...CLID=204846010Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final
???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™
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Originally posted by Lakeview Brave View PostMo managed to recruit with those facilities and got to the NCAA tournament. They were just as out of date in 96 as they were in 2006.
If we finish 4th again next year with Les how many more seasons are we going to give?
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At the end of the day a man has to do what is best for them in these situations. So if SM left for any reason that would not be the end of the world. Would it hurt the team, YES! I would hope his loyalty lies with the University but I can see if it is tighter with JL. It would be like if my boss got sacked and I had another opportunity for a better position I'd be a full to turn it down."Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
??” Thomas Jefferson
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