Last night's refs

[wily coyote]

I was just glad not to see Sanzere or Pollard.

I thought last night's crew just got suckered way too many times by defensive players sliding in front of the offensive players and then flopping backward onto their butts. I watch a lot of college basketball, and I never see as much of this phony charging stuff as I see every game in the MVC. I have said for years that it is the sign of a weak ref, and it hurts the league in many ways. For one, it turns skilled offensive players into tentative players afraid to attack the basket, and that has a negative effect when MVC teams play in the postseason against players who aren't so tentative.

Last night the bogus charging fouls did not seem to favor either team, but usually it hurts the more skilled, athletic teams, and allows slow and poor defenders to trick the refs into calling charges.

DC I too am not a big fan of Sanzere but I do know the officials that get the big games from there bosses do so for a reason. They put their better officials on the "Big games" and the next tier on the games that don't mean as much in the league standings. I must also say there is a big difference between Sanzere and Pollard. I will also admit Pollard has improved over the years but still wouldn't want him on a Manual Central game of years past when they played at the Fieldhouse. After what we had last night and the ISU game Sanzere isn't looking so bad IMO.

[Braves4Life]

I'm watching the CU/SIU game on ESPNU and these MVC refs are again embarrassing themselves on national TV. They are SO indecisive and always need to review plays on the monitor..... and they STILL take forever to figure out what they're going to call. Ridiculous!

[jrish12]

Its not just a problem at the Division 1 level. Yesterday I went to a Division 2 mens game and the officials shouldnt have been doing a high school girls JV game. One guy looked like he had a hip replacement and a knee replacement in the same leg and essentially waddled down the court and couldnt keep up with the play.

There are numerous problems that I dont want to get into after having debated it for a couple days on the high school thread OTOB, but something needs to be done, and it needs to be done quickly.

[BuAlum03]

Many young people don't want to go into officiating. i got patched for IHSA ball and worked some summer camps, and the amount of abuse I took from fans and coaches was unreal. I will admit that I didn't get every call right, but I was told I was racist and called some things that were downright mean. I never did an IHSA game .. if that's how people act over a meaningless camp game, I can imagine how they treat you over a game that counts.

Then they wonder why young people don't want to go into officiating.

[wily coyote]

Many young people don't want to go into officiating. i got patched for IHSA ball and worked some summer camps, and the amount of abuse I took from fans and coaches was unreal. I will admit that I didn't get every call right, but I was told I was racist and called some things that were downright mean. I never did an IHSA game .. if that's how people act over a meaningless camp game, I can imagine how they treat you over a game that counts.

Then they wonder why young people don't want to go into officiating.

You have hit the nail right on the head. That is the reason alot of people do not stick with it. The Abuse you must take bothers alot of people making their careers short. Its unfortunate but true.

[Da Coach]

That's a very good point. I have heard this from others who officiate at the grade school and high school level. It is a thankless job that doesn't pay well, or in some cases doesn't pay at all.

However, officials at the college level get paid fairly well, and there seem to be plenty of people available to do the job. I have actually seen a trend the last few years that the lesser known officials who are probably getting paid the least, seem to be the ones who do the better job without the attitude.
Bo Boroski, the lead official Saturday night, has had a long history with Jim Les and with bad calls affecting the outcome of games.
These are a just a few threads we have had before about bad calls from him-
www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10902
www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10896
www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10894

And one of the other 2 officials was Roland Simmons.
Here are some stats on Simmons-
In total fouls called per game, Simmons ranks 8th nationally among all officials-

http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/stats?id=most_fouls_avg&min=10&season=2010&submit=Go

The other official Saturday was John Moore, someone who has not done a lot of Bradley games. He is #65 on that list of most fouls called per game, which is still well above average, considering there are thousands of officials in that database.

[Beninator]

While the officials at the Evansville game were poor and influenced the game by calling things too close, they were nowhere near as bad as the officials at the ISU game! If Doug Elgin wants the MVC to become a better conference, he needs to have better quality control programs installed to grade the referees.

[wily coyote]

While the officials at the Evansville game were poor and influenced the game by calling things too close, they were nowhere near as bad as the officials at the ISU game! If Doug Elgin wants the MVC to become a better conference, he needs to have better quality control programs installed to grade the referees.

You left out one thing. Remove the politics. Put the people out there that can do the job not just line the assignors pockets by going to their camps every summer. It happens I can assure you. I'm not against the officials having to go to camps, because they should go every summer but to hire a guy for one or two league games just because he attended their camp is just plain wrong. That is partially why we have some of the people doing our league games.

[tornado]

Yesterday afternoon I watched the re-telecast of the Wichita State at UNI game...and the refs were bad -- and got booed steadily by the UNI crowd..

[thefish7]

That's a very good point. I have heard this from others who officiate at the grade school and high school level. It is a thankless job that doesn't pay well, or in some cases doesn't pay at all.

However, officials at the college level get paid fairly well, and there seem to be plenty of people available to do the job. I have actually seen a trend the last few years that the lesser known officials who are probably getting paid the least, seem to be the ones who do the better job without the attitude.
Bo Boroski, the lead official Saturday night, has had a long history with Jim Les and with bad calls affecting the outcome of games.
These are a just a few threads we have had before about bad calls from him-
www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10902
www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10896
www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10894

And one of the other 2 officials was Roland Simmons.
Here are some stats on Simmons-
In total fouls called per game, Simmons ranks 8th nationally among all officials-

http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/stats?id=most_fouls_avg&min=10&season=2010&submit=Go

The other official Saturday was John Moore, someone who has not done a lot of Bradley games. He is #65 on that list of most fouls called per game, which is still well above average, considering there are thousands of officials in that database.

I'm not trying to defend Bo Boroski because he definitely was awful... But all three of those threads appear to be from the same game/same bad call (I REMEMBER that foul btw, was an awful call)?

[Beninator]

You left out one thing. Remove the politics. Put the people out there that can do the job not just line the assignors pockets by going to their camps every summer. It happens I can assure you. I'm not against the officials having to go to camps, because they should go every summer but to hire a guy for one or two league games just because he attended their camp is just plain wrong. That is partially why we have some of the people doing our league games.

Good point.. I never really thought of that.. However, is it really possible to independently grade the officials without any political implications? Probably not...

[wily coyote]

Good point.. I never really thought of that.. However, is it really possible to independently grade the officials without any political implications? Probably not...

Yes, I think it is very possible to grade the officials after each game and not have politics involved. Grading them is not where the politics come into play. Where the politics come into play is where the officials drop several hundred $'s to go to these camps in the summer and then get 1 or 2 Valley games which in fact covers there summer camp expenses. I know several people that the Valley has strung along like that. They have stayed on the Valley roster for several years but never get more then 1 or 2 games a year before they are cut loose. Rough world out there but thats how it happens for some. Usually they only get non-conference games but thats how it works.Hope that helps.

[Chico]

I know I'm going off subject, but the Braves won and that's all I care about.

[tsguthrie]

You can't blame everything on the refs. but its been horrible this next summer they need to look into getting somewhat better refs. than this.

[wily coyote]

You can't blame everything on the refs. but its been horrible this next summer they need to look into getting somewhat better refs. than this.

Can't argue that but this is what it will take.

1.) A better league to work (top to bottom)
2.) Not on TV enough (ESPN or major networks CBS)
3.) More money
It will take a combination of all three to improve the quality of officiating in our league. When your a one bid league its hard to get good officiating. Take Baywatch for example,5 to 8 years ago he worked mainly in our league. As he gained experience and became one of the better officials in the country we rarely see him. Now you can see him in the Big -10 or on TV games almost every week. Their goal is to work the final four and you won't get their working a vast majority of your schedule in the Valley. Thats why we should all appreciate when we do get the good ones on our games.