Roster trivia

[MikeCash]

In the Jim Les era:

Who are the only three scholarship players to have come in and played their Fr, So, Jr, and Sr seasons in succession without a medical redshirt?

[AZ BU Fan]

Non medical RS Jr's don't count as Sr's, correct?

[tornado]

Daniel Ruffin 04-05 thru 07-08
JJ Tauai 03-04 thru 06-07
JC 04-05 thru 07-08

AT may yet complete it next year and is on target, as might those who are freshmen and sophomores now (Jake, Walt, Milos, JP, DSE, etc...)

[MikeCash]

Correct. Ryan Phillips, Brian Lavin and Danny Adams are non or partial scholarship players who have also done so.

[jrish12]

Didnt Ruffin sit out his freshman season for academic reasons? Maybe Im wrong but I thought I remembered him having to sit out a year for academics.

[PTownHawkeye]

Didnt Ruffin sit out his freshman season for academic reasons? Maybe Im wrong but I thought I remembered him having to sit out a year for academics.

Correct. Original poster specified "medical redshirt", otherwise Ruffin would be disqualified.

[Da Coach]

Yes, Daniel Ruffin sat out his freshman year. He did well gradewise at Bradley and got his degree in 4 years, so he was awarded a 5th year to play out his 4 years of athletic eligibility.
Some might recall that DR was ruled a non-qualifier by the NCAA. It was not because of insufficient grades or test scores, but because of an increase in his test score that was ruled to be over the maximum allowed by the NCAA. Once the NCAA rules the test score to be invalid, all subsequent scores are disallowed and the student is deemed a non-qualifier.

[tornado]

Here's a trivia question as well...
how many such players have the last THREE ISU coaches (Richardson, Moser, Jankovich) COMBINED have??


just three...

[RedSoxDSM]

Yes, Daniel Ruffin sat out his freshman year. He did well gradewise at Bradley and got his degree in 4 years, so he was awarded a 5th year to play out his 4 years of athletic eligibility.
Some might recall that DR was ruled a non-qualifier by the NCAA. It was not because of insufficient grades or test scores, but because of an increase in his test score that was ruled to be over the maximum allowed by the NCAA. Once the NCAA rules the test score to be invalid, all subsequent scores are disallowed and the student is deemed a non-qualifier.

That ruling by the NCAA was the stupidest ruling I ever heard of. He did not get a qualifying ACT the first time he took the test, so he studied hard and probably worked with a tutor to take the test again. He retook the test and increased his score like 6 or 7 points. The NCAA cried foul claiming the score is too high, so that means someone must have taken the test for him. He then took it a third time and scored similarly to the second time he took it. The NCAA still shook its head and said no way. He is not a qualifier. It did not turn out too bad for the Braves in the end, since I am sure DR contributed more as a 5th year senior than he would have as a freshman, but it is just baffling to me how the NCAA can penalize a student-athlete for bettering himself.

[Da Coach]

I believe Daniel even took the test a 4th time and also scored high enough to qualify. But the NCAA has a hard rule that if the score increases more than their limit, not only is that test score nullified, all subsequent test scores will automatically be nullified. I recall Bradley appealing the ruling, but as I said, it was upheld.
You are correct that DR's improvement in score was the result of hard work and study, and not from the NCAA's presumption of cheating. The fact that Daniel had 3 nearly identical qualifying scores proved that.

[Beninator]

Perhaps the folks at the NCAAA should watch the movie Stand and Deliver.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094027/