Strategic error?

[lefty]

I really don't think anyone is laying this loss on JL...deciding to foul is what they decided to do...maybe he wanted to foul someone specific..I don't know. It wasn't that big a deal really.

I'm not sure why these threads have to be a pro/anti JL thread based upon a game decision. Some agree,some disagree, and some don't care.
Blaming a coach on a late T is one I can somewhat understand depending on all the cuircumstances but blaming a loss on a tactical decision is kind of silly. If they miss a bunch of ft's do the pro JL folks talk about the great strategy? Sometimes stuff works and sometimes it doesn't.

I still think we win 5 more games as long as we play like this.

[SaintLouBrave22]

My thoughts, I don't care pro-JL, anti-JL, anyone on a fringe of either side doesn't see the whole picture. My problem is, I want to enjoy BU hoops, and I don't like when people repetitively talk negative about something I want to enjoy. Say something negative once, fine. Say it twice, ok. Any more than that, and in my opinion you really are just trying to damper my enjoyment. You can say that you don't agree with a game plan without saying "coach didn't give em a chance" and "need new administration" and the same old crap.

I really wish the people that want to continue to incessantly bang the negativity drum would stay over yonder on PJS. To me, if they come here to do that when they clearly know the philosophy of this site, they really are just trying to stir the pot. Disagree with a call or decision, no problem. Mocking the team, being sarcastic, not respecting the players and staff efforts, shaping everything to be a Jim Les issue, are really things that are much more suited for PJS.

My opinion.

While I respect your opinion, I am going to have to say that most of the reason people come here and not there is because this is a Bradley only or mainly Bradley board with not too many outsiders and the other board is just a cluster you know what...

Like I said, I myself don't agree with everyones opinion, and while I don't adhere to the same guidelines you do (as I know many pro or negative harp on the same stuff every day), I stick around and read and comment for the good conversation I know I will get at certain points throughout the day...


Yeah there may be certain things I myself blow up about and tend to not let lay where it should, but i always seem to keep coming back, and I just have to attribute that to the fellow posters...


Whether you agree with anyone at all here or not, it's a place for you to voice opinions and get feedback...

Otherwise you might as well sit around and talk to the dog about Bradley's zone defense and other various aspects of the game...


I just don't think you'll quite enjoy the response you'll get from ol' Cujo

[mrcoachdude]

That says just about everything there is to say. A great effort ruined due to poor administration.

The kids are not being given their best opportunity for success.

Dru....here is your anti JL ...post....and poster...

Like what was said by someone earlier...I go for a steal and if I do not get it I foul...its the way I did and would coach it....wait....maybe that is why I am no longer coaching

I actually like this part of the message board...where we can discuss strategy...some wanna play the D and try to get a steal...others would foul...

[MacabreMob]

My thoughts, I don't care pro-JL, anti-JL, anyone on a fringe of either side doesn't see the whole picture. My problem is, I want to enjoy BU hoops, and I don't like when people repetitively talk negative about something I want to enjoy. Say something negative once, fine. Say it twice, ok. Any more than that, and in my opinion you really are just trying to damper my enjoyment. You can say that you don't agree with a game plan without saying "coach didn't give em a chance" and "need new administration" and the same old crap.

I really wish the people that want to continue to incessantly bang the negativity drum would stay over yonder on PJS. To me, if they come here to do that when they clearly know the philosophy of this site, they really are just trying to stir the pot. Disagree with a call or decision, no problem. Mocking the team, being sarcastic, not respecting the players and staff efforts, shaping everything to be a Jim Les issue, are really things that are much more suited for PJS.

My opinion.

Thank you....dead on.

[MacabreMob]

... I still think we win 5 more games as long as we play like this.

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[squirrelgotdead]

From an MSU fan perspective. Tactically (coaching) wise that was an excellent game plan to beat the Bears. Everyone of our deficiencies was exposed by coach Les.

Agreed. Let the shock and awe ensue.

[jrish12]

My thoughts, I don't care pro-JL, anti-JL, anyone on a fringe of either side doesn't see the whole picture. My problem is, I want to enjoy BU hoops, and I don't like when people repetitively talk negative about something I want to enjoy. Say something negative once, fine. Say it twice, ok. Any more than that, and in my opinion you really are just trying to damper my enjoyment. You can say that you don't agree with a game plan without saying "coach didn't give em a chance" and "need new administration" and the same old crap.

I really wish the people that want to continue to incessantly bang the negativity drum would stay over yonder on PJS. To me, if they come here to do that when they clearly know the philosophy of this site, they really are just trying to stir the pot. Disagree with a call or decision, no problem. Mocking the team, being sarcastic, not respecting the players and staff efforts, shaping everything to be a Jim Les issue, are really things that are much more suited for PJS.

My opinion.

Thats great that you have YOUR opinion, but other people have their own opinions as well. Its what a message board is all about. You can support the program and still criticize, it can be done and you dont have to be pro-JL or Anti-JL or anything stupid like that to do it.

After watching the replay of the game late last night since I was working while the actual game was on, I feel that the foul was the wrong call. It did not break the bank though. DSE missing the front end, Warren chucking the 3 from d@mn near half court with 30+ seconds left, DSE turning the ball over trying to go warp speed down the floor and losign control of the ball, etc. One decision does not a game make. Yes it is magnified at the end of a close game that we werent "expected" to win. And yes it COULD look like it reflects on the coaching, but it doesnt ALWAYS have to be black and white, there is alot of gray area in situations like these. You CAN be on the fence when it comes to situations, you dont have to be pro-JL or Anti JL, you can actually be in the middle which is something I feel gets lost in all of these stupid pro or anti JL discussions. Im pretty sure everyone on this board wants whats best for Bradley University.

Just my 2 cents

[dogsrus]

Otherwise you might as well sit around and talk to the dog about Bradley's zone defense and other various aspects of the game...


I just don't think you'll quite enjoy the response you'll get from ol' Cujo

Is that wrong beucase I do that on a regular basis.....

[Future Walk-On]

Thread is lame.

TL;DR

We played good. If we lost the other way...all you would be bitching that we didn't foul sooner.

[real fan]

Normally you like to foul in that case because you can extend the game and hope they miss free throws, unfortunately they are a great free throw shooting team but I stll believe you have to foul and make them make their free throws because if you choose to get back and play defense and they end up making a shot you have no time for a come back.

[wily coyote]

Thread is lame.

TL;DR

We played good. If we lost the other way...all you would be bitching that we didn't foul sooner.

I agree with this post more then any others on here and one thing that hasn't even been mentioned . Why when we were 6 down (2 possessions) do we drive to the basket and shoot a layup? By the way it was missed badly. Then to compound matters the same player does it again with less then 10 secs . left. Missed that one also. Padding his numbers or not bought in yet?? I was very happy with the way we played last night. I'm seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe we can make some noise in St.L.

[MacabreMob]

Ok, try this:

Foul at 48 secs. Down 2.

If... they miss ft's, we rebound. Down 2, with the ball, 45 secs... Race down, get a quick 2 ties the game with let's say 40 secs. No matter what Mo St does, we get at least 1 more possession.

Is that a bad idea? Is it worth a stab? Maybe.

[Beninator]

Ok, try this:

Foul at 48 secs. Down 2.

If... they miss ft's, we rebound. Down 2, with the ball, 45 secs... Race down, get a quick 2 ties the game with let's say 40 secs. No matter what Mo St does, we get at least 1 more possession.

Is that a bad idea? Is it worth a stab? Maybe.

Oh my.... This would involve us doing a 2 for 1 possession... Something that previous BU coaches were reluctant at best to try...

[squirrelgotdead]

Ok, try this:

Foul at 48 secs. Down 2.

If... they miss ft's, we rebound. Down 2, with the ball, 45 secs... Race down, get a quick 2 ties the game with let's say 40 secs. No matter what Mo St does, we get at least 1 more possession.

Is that a bad idea? Is it worth a stab? Maybe.

Against a bad team...maybe. The problems with it, IMO, are the following:

1) MSU ranks 24th in the nation in FT% and were shooting 80% in the game
2) BU was being out rebounded by MSU on the game (and note I'm not complaining about rebounding at all this year)

Now, the game situation is this: MSU did not score a FG on its previous 2 possessions. BU had MSU out of their comfort zone and even a little bit of momentum.

So instead of going with game flow where you have the advantage despite being down 2, you in essence flip-flop the game situation and are all but guaranteeing when you do get the ball back you will be down more than 2.

To me, it's purely counter-intuitive.

[Braves4Life]

Just like a baseball manager often does Les played this one "by the book". In hindsight, we might look back and say it could have been done differently. However, I think many college coaches would have done what Les and Bradley attempted to do.