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BradleyJD

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This business with the technical and the clock "malfunctions" is blurring out what the real problem is here.

Bradley lost....at home....after a big lead....after being up almost 10 with 90 seconds left.

This is like the Cutler thing with the Bears the other day. People ranted about his injury and not the fact that Lovie and Martz blew the game a hundred different ways besides the injury.


Bradley has serious problems right now. Not all of them are due to the injuries either.

There are some very serious flaws in our system or program right now.

How do we begin fixing them???
 
BradleyJD said:
This business with the technical and the clock "malfunctions" is blurring out what the real problem is here.

Bradley lost....at home....after a big lead....after being up almost 10 with 90 seconds left.

This is like the Cutler thing with the Bears the other day. People ranted about his injury and not the fact that Lovie and Martz blew the game a hundred different ways besides the injury.


Bradley has serious problems right now. Not all of them are due to the injuries either.

There are some very serious flaws in our system or program right now.

How do we begin fixing them???
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Ding! Don't say such things, or you'll be accused of having an agenda rather than calling a spade a spade.

There's no magic solution and no guarantees in anything. But doing nothing means that this is acceptable. It's not.
 
The problem is everything is going downhill right now...

its not all coaching, but its some

its not all players, but its some

its not all refs but its some

its not all scorers table but its some..

its not the lack of a home court advantage but its some.

point is..its a mess...

and in sports when its a mess, you make change...

jimmy needed to go earlier, and he needs to to today, and he will need to go tomorrow..
 
I agree it's been the perfect storm of badness, including every permutation of bad luck or karma. But are you suggesting a change in mid-season? That is not realistic. Did you think the coaching cost the game last night?
 
Yeah, what exactly happened to calling bad, BAD?


We are just not a good or even average basketball team, and the fact that people are saying that was a good game is just proof of how we're THAT bad!

Both of the teams showed me exactly why they're where they're at as neither could hit water if they fell out of a boat in the way of distance shooting and heck, we have two guards who supposedly can shoot yet can't make a FT to save their lives!


And yes, anyone who thought we would get a good crew to come in and call this game, wake up man! These are the two worst teams in the league playing on a night with 3 other games going on....we deserved the bottom of the barrel and that's what we got...


As a unit, Bradley Basketball and the athletic department has no one to blame but themselves for putting the entire unit together.
 
srw said:
The problem is everything is going downhill right now...

its not all coaching, but its some

its not all players, but its some

its not all refs but its some

its not all scorers table but its some..

its not the lack of a home court advantage but its some.

point is..its a mess...

and in sports when its a mess, you make change...

jimmy needed to go earlier, and he needs to to today, and he will need to go tomorrow..
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Well I think this much is clear. There are so many things going wrong, breaking down, etc that everyone is almost stunned.

I think the world of Coach Les as a person. I was thrilled that he brought BU to the S16. But, I also realize that sometimes things just don't work for some reason.

I do not believe we need to change in-season. After the season, I do believe the A.D. or Prez. or whoever needs to do some very serious reviewing of the program as a whole.
 
BradleyJD said:
Well I think this much is clear. There are so many things going wrong, breaking down, etc that everyone is almost stunned.

I think the world of Coach Les as a person. I was thrilled that he brought BU to the S16. But, I also realize that sometimes things just don't work for some reason.

I do not believe we need to change in-season. After the season, I do believe the A.D. or Prez. or whoever needs to do some very serious reviewing of the program as a whole.
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I'm not sure anyone on this board disagrees with anything you said. So how do we all get to disagreeing so much?
 
Da Coach said:
I agree it's been the perfect storm of badness, including every permutation of bad luck or karma. But are you suggesting a change in mid-season? That is not realistic. Did you think the coaching cost the game last night?
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Never been an advocate of an in-season change. Nothing is gained IMO.

Coaching last night? I don't know. I don't think the tech did, but we made some really bad decisions and couldn't get a stop in the last minute or in overtime. JL didn't miss the shots or the FT's or didn't play bad defense, but he recruited all of the guys who did. As I said in another thread, I don't think the overall frustration is with one game, one tech, or even one bad season. More, it's the body of work and way the program appears to be trending. At some point the steward of the program has to be held accountable for the results on the floor. If saying that makes me a hater with an agenda, so be it. I think you know I am not.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
I'm not sure anyone on this board disagrees with anything you said. So how do we all get to disagreeing so much?
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Everyone is frustrated here and tired of losing and everyone feels they have a different opinion in how we get to where we all want to be....

Pretty normal really...


I tend to feel like many who are fighting for Les are fighting for:

1) the Sweet 16 run and the past

2) him as a person

3) the injuries dampening the season


If I am wrong let me know, but I feel as though most are fighting for that and more the title as "BU Head Coach" meaning he is one of us rather than the results and what is really happening...

We argue because we all feel like we should be in a better place and that someone is being slighted and well simply because there is always something to disagree about when you're not winning...


We all, or most of us, feel like Bradley can be an upper echelon Valley program...it hasn't been for quite some time outside of 1 month in the last 15 years...thus turmoil ensues...


Just look at my post that is cited in a posters signature...


Bradley has gotten too far away from the days of Mike Williams, David Winslow, and Marcus Pollard...


We need to be more physical and tougher inside and out...
 
Da Coach said:
I agree it's been the perfect storm of badness, including every permutation of bad luck or karma. But are you suggesting a change in mid-season? That is not realistic. Did you think the coaching cost the game last night?
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I believe the coaching cost us the game in overtime. EVERY possession, I knew what was coming, so I would think Coach Les had to know what was coming. 2 man game between Carmichael & Hill and Hill had 10 of his 12 points in OT. Not once did I see Dodie stop him besides fouling. I kept thinking switch to zone or put someone who could stay in front of Hill, change it up take ISU out of there rhythm and then we use our last time out up 1 point when you knew ISU would most likely use there time out to set up a play. Just in case they score (which they did) you could draw up a play instead of throwing it to Warren double-teamed in the back court hoping for a Chris Roberts shot. It's frustrating but I will continue to support our team until the bitter end! Once a Brave always a Brave.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
I tend to feel like many who are fighting for Les are fighting for:

1) the Sweet 16 run and the past

2) him as a person

3) the injuries dampening the season
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I don't see people fighting for Les, I see people fighting for perspective. Not one person on here would say at this point they definitely want him to be the coach forever, yet that phrase is used daily to describe people's opinions.

All three of those things mentioned above are valid, legitimate reasons why he has been/is good for BU, and why he definitely should be allowed to finish the year and possibly the next. You can also come up with some that would show otherwise.
 
Buesch N Chips said:
I don't see people fighting for Les, I see people fighting for perspective. Not one person on here would say at this point they definitely want him to be the coach forever, yet that phrase is used daily to describe people's opinions.

All three of those things mentioned above are valid, legitimate reasons why he has been/is good for BU, and why he definitely should be allowed to finish the year and possibly the next. You can also come up with some that would show otherwise.
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While I don't disagree with any of the 3 points I made, and don't get me wrong, people see me as the biggest anti-Les person...well, I have wanted him to succeed and I have known Jim for a long time personally...

I just really think he's in over his head, and I'll argue to the death how good we'd actually be with both Taylor and Sam playing, and the fact that they aren't playing still shouldn't produce 0-10 or even 2-8...

A good coach will produce results over time no matter what he has to work with...

Besides, he's the guy who recruited everyone and should not necessarily have planned for injuries, but planned to have depth regardless...because 12 good players is always better than 10 is always better than 8...
 
Da Coach said:
I agree it's been the perfect storm of badness, including every permutation of bad luck or karma. But are you suggesting a change in mid-season? That is not realistic. Did you think the coaching cost the game last night?
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Yes, I do believe so. Despite the disputed Technical on Les, we didn't make necessary changes to stop Carmichael, nor did we make stops in the last 7 minutes of the game. Nor did we kick them while they were down.

A side note: do you really think that Taylor Brown is going to be our guy to stop the big dudes in the league like Stutz/Echenique/Carmichael/Teague? (IF he returns) Giving up offensive rebounds has killed us the last 2 seasons vs. the Birds (in 3 games!)
 
Who knows, and I am not trying to make excuses for anyone. But I think a healthy TB would have made a big difference last night. A healthy SM would have also made a big difference, IMO.

And of course there were instances that in retrospect we can pick at and say the coaching should have been different. You could do that with any coach, and any game. But unlike several earlier games, I don't think last night's loss was caused by poor coaching moves.
 
Da Coach said:
Who knows, and I am not trying to make excuses for anyone. But I think a healthy TB would have made a big difference last night. A healthy SM would have also made a big difference, IMO.

And of course there were instances that in retrospect we can pick at and say the coaching should have been different. You could do that with any coach, and any game. But unlike several earlier games, I don't think last night's loss was caused by poor coaching moves.
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Having TB last night puts him guarding Wilkins late...instead of Walt or DSE trying to guard him...
 
mrcoachdude said:
Having TB last night puts him guarding Wilkins late...instead of Walt or DSE trying to guard him...
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Yes, having TB last night would probably get us the win.
But we shouldn't have needed him last night to win.
With a healthy TB, we should have blown them out of Carver. Without him, we should have handled them pretty easily. THAT didn't happen.
Suppose we DID have TB last night and win by 4 or 5. Would anyone be happy with the win? Probably not.

After the first 10 minutes, I was feeling sorry for the 'Birds...hmmmm - same feeling I had last year when we played them in Carver. Actually thought we'd end up winning by 20 or so. Had we won by 5, I wouldn't have been too happy. But losing the way we did made me toss and turn until 2 A.M. They had no business being in this game, let alone winning.
 
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