NCAA's 6th year waiver

[Missouri Brave]

I tend to disagree. Considering the ailment, I think the chances are better than 50-50 that he is granted a sixth year of eligibility. Heck the University of Houston QB was just awarded a sixth year the other day, as was a South Florida wideout.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-01-14/keenum-granted-sixth-year-of-eligibility

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/content/receiver-love-granted-sixth-year-2011

[tornado]

A player can probably try to appeal for a 6th year, regardless of the circumstances. It is just very unlikely the NCAA will grant it.

read the rules, I have cited them precisely and they are there for you to read...

in order to get a medical redshirt, you have to be on the team, playing or practicing and suffer a season ending injury.

Taylor Brown never dressed nor played at Bevill State, and if he claims to have a season ending injury, he might have a very hard time convincing the NCAA as he left Bevill State before their basketball season even began!

You are free to still think the NCAA might take pity and allow a waiver even though the rules don't appear to allow for it, but you sure have a whole lot more faith in the NCAA than I do..


BTW -- the only basketball player I can find who might be an exception to the 6th year waiver rule and who used a year to transfer but still got his 6th year was...
Missouri State's Spencer Laurie...
His career spanned SIX years in college...
2003-2004 21 games @ Mizzou
2004-2005 7 games @ Mizzou then injury - granted redshirt
2005-2006 0 games, transferred and sat out at Missouri State - a 2nd "redshirt year"
2006-2007 33 games at MSU
2007-2008 33 games at MSU
2008-2009 27 games at MSU - was granted the waiver to play this one extra, 6th year...it was somewhat unexpected
as I recall even the Missouri press was kinda surprised when NCAA granted it.

http://www.missouristatebears.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=59268&SPID=6484&DB_OEM_ID=13800&ATCLID=706962&Q_SEASON=2008

[amettrick]

read the rules, I have cited them precisely and they are there for you to read...

in order to get a medical redshirt, you have to be on the team, playing or practicing and suffer a season ending injury.

Taylor Brown never dressed nor played at Bevill State, and if he claims to have a season ending injury, he might have a very hard time convincing the NCAA as he left Bevill State before their basketball season even began!

If you look at it that way T, then his time at Bevill wouldn't have even counted against his eligibility at all. A players clock doesn't start ticking until he is actually a member of the team. For example, I was at Bradley for 5 years but I never played any sport, so if by some miracle I suddenly gained athletic ability, I would still have my full eligibilty intact to go back to school and play for BU or any other school.

If the NCAA rules that his injury at Bevill State doesn't count as him being part of their team as you say, then it would mean he never used that year of eligibility. If they rule that he was part of the team at Bevill State, then the injury would qualify him for the sixth year waiver.

[BuB]

If you look at it that way T, then his time at Bevill wouldn't have even counted against his eligibility at all. A players clock doesn't start ticking until he is actually a member of the team. For example, I was at Bradley for 5 years but I never played any sport, so if by some miracle I suddenly gained athletic ability, I would still have my full eligibilty intact to go back to school and play for BU or any other school.

If the NCAA rules that his injury at Bevill State doesn't count as him being part of their team as you say, then it would mean he never used that year of eligibility. If they rule that he was part of the team at Bevill State, then the injury would qualify him for the sixth year waiver.

I think the clock starts as soon as you begin college as a full time student. If you take less than 12 hours then it does not start but then you are not considered a full time student and thus ineligible to play a college sport.

[Future Walk-On]

what did nate funk do? seemed like he was here for 7 years

[DUBrave5]

If you look at it that way T, then his time at Bevill wouldn't have even counted against his eligibility at all. A players clock doesn't start ticking until he is actually a member of the team. For example, I was at Bradley for 5 years but I never played any sport, so if by some miracle I suddenly gained athletic ability, I would still have my full eligibilty intact to go back to school and play for BU or any other school.

If the NCAA rules that his injury at Bevill State doesn't count as him being part of their team as you say, then it would mean he never used that year of eligibility. If they rule that he was part of the team at Bevill State, then the injury would qualify him for the sixth year waiver.

I think the clock starts as soon as you begin college as a full time student. If you take less than 12 hours then it does not start but then you are not considered a full time student and thus ineligible to play a college sport.

I also think that once a student is enrolled full time the 5 year eligibility window starts. I am only a practice player but we also have to clear the NCAA requirements and given that this is my 5th year in school, I was told this semester would be the last semester that I would be eligible.

[Da Coach]

... A players clock doesn't start ticking until he is actually a member of the team. For example, I was at Bradley for 5 years but I never played any sport, so if by some miracle I suddenly gained athletic ability, I would still have my full eligibilty intact to go back to school and play for BU or any other school.

I think the clock starts as soon as you begin college as a full time student. If you take less than 12 hours then it does not start but then you are not considered a full time student and thus ineligible to play a college sport.

BuB is correct. A player's 5-year clock starts when he enrolls in a college or junior college and takes more than 12 hours of coursework. The clock will also start if the student-athlete accepts any financial aid from the athletic department.

Here is just one of numerous sources that state this-

http://www.piercecollege.edu/offices/counseling_center/ncaa_guidelines.asp

Some football schools recruit kids and have them enroll their first year as a part time student (less than 12 hours), and pay their own way, so they can work out with trainers and get stronger, then still have 5 years of eligibility after that as an athlete. This is called "gray-shirting". (see the above link)

[ph]

You also hear of some football players graduating early from HS in Dec, then enrolling part time at college in the Spring semester. (As a gray-shirt)
That gives the student a full football offseason to learn the system and train, yet their 5 year clock starts at the same time next fall..

Although would it matter to a football player if their clock began in the spring? There's no football in the spring of the 5th full year.

That doesn't work so well for basketball players because it would mean abandoning your HS team.

[tornado]

so-called "gray-shirting" is ONLY for football..

This is awful for TB, because I am not even sure the NCAA would consider this an "injury"..

..well the rules specify it can be an injury or illness....Taylor's situation absolutely DOES fit the definition of illness....but his firstyear at Bevill State when he left school even before the playing season began, is extremely unlikely to get consideration for a season-ending illness or injury since he wasn't there to start the season.

If you look at it that way T, then his time at Bevill wouldn't have even counted against his eligibility at all. A players clock doesn't start ticking until he is actually a member of the team...

this was answered....no it starts when you enroll full time in college...
this is precisely what destroyed the Indiana kid, Michel's, chance to play this year.
He never played in college but enrolled in a college in France five years back, and that was good enough to start his clock ticking and his time ran out before he could suit up at IU.

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/113010aac.html