Max Bielfeldt getting a lot more recruiting interest

[mrcoachdude]

I like them both and wish BU would add Max to the team...watched both play a bunch of games...and think Max would fit well...

I think some may be forgetting that Tyler Les was on the same team with Max and I am sure JL has a pretty close relaitionship with Max via that bond...guess we will see how it pans out...

[tornado]

Quite possibly yes...
I think if Max were allowed to play 10 minutes per game against the opponents that U of I has faced, I believe he'd do at least as well as 2.7 ppg & 1.6 rpg, with 1 assist and 10 TO and only 57% FT shooting...

[BradleyBrave]

Quite possibly yes...
I think if Max were allowed to play 10 minutes per game against the opponents that U of I has faced, I believe he'd do at least as well as 2.7 ppg & 1.6 rpg, with 1 assist and 10 TO and only 57% FT shooting...

I guess the whole Big 10 is missing on this guy.

Maybe someone should email Roy Williams and Coach K and let them know what they're missing out on.

[BradleyBrave]

I think some may be forgetting that Tyler Les was on the same team with Max and I am sure JL has a pretty close relaitionship with Max via that bond...guess we will see how it pans out...

If Max is this great talent, and Tyler Les was a DI player (which he currently is), why wasn't PND better last year? With a blue chipper like Max one would think that being teamed with a DI guard would make them unstoppable.

[midstateknowitall]

Tyler Les is at a D1 school yes... You don't think his father might have some pull to get him there. My mind his was no where near a D1 player. Sometimes its more about who you know then what you know....

I didn't compare Bielfeldt to Meyers Leonard or Mike Tisdale. Both are 7'0+ ... One is a freak athlete who is very unpolished... Other is a skilled finese big that gives very little production inside. However I never compared Max to either of those. However, I would say that Meyers and Tisdales # would probably be a little lower in high school if they played a tough 3a-4a schedule.

I compared Max to Prosser who is bout the same size who happens to be playing at a midmajor.

And if you don't think comparing stats and competition is relevant to players going onto the next level (no matter what that is) your sadly mistaken...

[jrish12]

If Max is this great talent, and Tyler Les was a DI player (which he currently is), why wasn't PND better last year? With a blue chipper like Max one would think that being teamed with a DI guard would make them unstoppable.

Same thing could be said about Brian Randle and Mitch Gilfillan when they played for PND...

Peoria is one of the toughest places for high school basketball in the state, and arguably the midwest. Is Max a high D I talent? No. Is he a mid major player? absolutely. If you put him in the right system he could be a ton. I feel that the system at Bradley COULD fit him. He can hit the outside shot and still bang inside. The problem is, the style he plays in high school is not suited for a college game because he is undersized for that position at the college level. Now, like someone said, if he grew 2-3 inches, he probably would be a high D I talent. But he isnt, I still think he would be a good fit in the Valley or Horizon league.

[BradleyBrave]

Tyler Les is at a D1 school yes... You don't think his father might have some pull to get him there. My mind his was no where near a D1 player. Sometimes its more about who you know then what you know....

I didn't compare Bielfeldt to Meyers Leonard or Mike Tisdale. Both are 7'0+ ... One is a freak athlete who is very unpolished... Other is a skilled finese big that gives very little production inside. However I never compared Max to either of those. However, I would say that Meyers and Tisdales # would probably be a little lower in high school if they played a tough 3a-4a schedule.

I compared Max to Prosser who is bout the same size who happens to be playing at a midmajor.

Your statement was about those players, and you attempted to substantiate it with their high school numbers and competition. I cited two examples (Leonard and Tisdale) that disproves your theory.

From that we learned that Tornado thinks Max is better than Meyers Leonard.

We are learning a lot today!

[BradleyBrave]

Same thing could be said about Brian Randle and Mitch Gilfillan when they played for PND...

Peoria is one of the toughest places for high school basketball in the state, and arguably the midwest. Is Max a high D I talent? No. Is he a mid major player? absolutely. If you put him in the right system he could be a ton. I feel that the system at Bradley COULD fit him. He can hit the outside shot and still bang inside. The problem is, the style he plays in high school is not suited for a college game because he is undersized for that position at the college level. Now, like someone said, if he grew 2-3 inches, he probably would be a high D I talent. But he isnt, I still think he would be a good fit in the Valley or Horizon league.

Agreed!

[tornado]

I guess the whole Big 10 is missing on this guy.
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nope, you're being silly -- everyone knows Meyers Leonard was not recruited because he IS currently a GREAT talent...he was recruited because he is thought to become a great talent...

so he may have a much higher potential...but I think Max is presently a better player...and if they played head to head I am confident (barring other factors like who their teammates or opponents are) Max could outplay and outscore Leonard.
Against woefully weaker opponents just last year, Meyers averaged 18.9 ppg, 10.9 rpg...considerably less than what Max gets against far, far better defenses.
(trivia -- who led Meyers' HS team in scoring?? hint -- it was NOT Meyers)
Check their games form last year and whenever Meyers faced a team like Dieterich or Hillsboro or Salem -- he did fine...but he scored far less against the Mt. Zion, Teutopolis, or Decatur STA...
those big games against BIG opponents are when Max really seems to fill the stat sheet.

I am reminded of the debates we had whether Cellus or Najeeb Echols would end up the better player.....
Everyone pointed to where he'd been, his background out of Chicago, etc. etc...and claimed Echols would be better..
......same stuff everyone's using with Max...
In the end I was right on that one and I have no fear about now either...

[midstateknowitall]

Your statement was about those players, and you attempted to substantiate it with their high school numbers and competition. I cited two examples (Leonard and Tisdale) that disproves your theory.

From that we learned that Tornado thinks Max is better than Meyers Leonard.

We are learning a lot today!

Yeah I did compare #'s of a class 1a -2a player and a 3a-4a player that were comparable in size.

7'0+ skilled or athletic with Trump anything because you can't teach someone to be taller... They don't come around that frequent. If meyers or tisdale was 6'8 or 6'9 then I would throw them in the arguement as well, but they aren't. Apples to Apples my friend not Apples to Oranges.

[BradleyBrave]

Yeah I did compare #'s of a class 1a -2a player and a 3a-4a player that were comparable in size.

7'0+ skilled or athletic with Trump anything because you can't teach someone to be taller... They don't come around that frequent. If meyers or tisdale was 6'8 or 6'9 then I would throw them in the arguement as well, but they aren't. Apples to Apples my friend not Apples to Oranges.

Apples to Apples? You are the one throwing in all the caveats with 'Well if they're 7'0" then it trumps everything'. AAU is the closest thing to 'Apples to Apples' there is. Through the AAU circuit JP fielded more offers than MB has, largely based on size, strength, athleticism, and ability. I guess everyone else watching and scouting for major and mid-major college basketball programs is stupid to have missed on the golden nugget that is Max Bielfeldt. *****s!

[midstateknowitall]

Apples to Apples? You are the one throwing in all the caveats with 'Well if they're 7'0" then it trumps everything'. AAU is the closest thing to 'Apples to Apples' there is. Through the AAU circuit JP fielded more offers than MB has, largely based on size, strength, athleticism, and ability. I guess everyone else watching and scouting for major and mid-major college basketball programs is stupid to have missed on the golden nugget that is Max Bielfeldt. *****s!

AAU offers were soley based on the programs both chose to play with early in their careers. JP played with Adidas Indiana Elite (huge program). Max played with Peoria Irish (who he helped take the next step as a program). JP was more athletic and mobile as a fresh and soph. Max was stronger and better banger.

Now things have changed because JP body didn't change nor did his game much. Max had changed his body, mobility, and athleticism. And has advanced his game tremendously.

Tail of 2 different recruitment:

Prosser recieved alot of his interest Early and little interest late.

Bielfeldt recieved little interest Early and alot of interest late.

Just shows kids develop and mature at different stages.


And I am right about being 7'0. Somebody will take a chance somewhere just because of size and potential. Tisdale was skilled in high school high major, Meyers is athletic as can be high major. Nate Wells is neither that skilled or that athletic. However, Bradley takes a chance. You can't teach someone who is skilled to have more Height. But you can teach someone with height to be more skilled.

[tornado]

...I guess everyone else watching and scouting for major and mid-major college basketball programs is stupid to have missed on the golden nugget that is Max Bielfeldt. *****s!

again...not true...maybe you have not heard...
Max and his family have been contacted and talked to and recruited by MAJOR programs...as well as many other mid-majors..
but thus far, for a variety of reasons...he has not yet made up his mind...and then that gets interpreted on message boards as though he has no offers...

[BradleyBrave]

AAU offers were soley based on the programs both chose to play with early in their careers. JP played with Adidas Indiana Elite (huge program). Max played with Peoria Irish (who he helped take the next step as a program). JP was more athletic and mobile as a fresh and soph. Max was stronger and better banger.

Now things have changed because JP body didn't change nor did his game much. Max had changed his body, mobility, and athleticism. And has advanced his game tremendously.

Tail of 2 different recruitment:

Prosser recieved alot of his interest Early and little interest late.

Bielfeldt recieved little interest Early and alot of interest late.

Just shows kids develop and mature at different stages.


And I am right about being 7'0. Somebody will take a chance somewhere just because of size and potential. Tisdale was skilled in high school high major, Meyers is athletic as can be high major. Nate Wells is neither that skilled or that athletic. However, Bradley takes a chance. You can't teach someone who is skilled to have more Height. But you can teach someone with height to be more skilled.

JP's body hasn't changed? Have you seen him lately?

[BradleyBrave]

again...not true...maybe you have not heard...
Max and his family have been contacted and talked to and recruited by MAJOR programs...as well as many other mid-majors..
but thus far, for a variety of reasons...he has not yet made up his mind...and then that gets interpreted on message boards as though he has no offers...

I can't wait to see him in the McDonald's All-American game.