Indiana State 80-BU 66

[BradleyBrave]

didn't say anything about winning and you spun 1st...we are simply NOT the oldest most experienced team in the Valley...like you stated...

We're in the top half of the MVC experience-wise according to squirrel's stat...will we finish there? More experience than over half the league.

And I said 'one of the' most experience teams, not 'THE' most experienced team. The numbers support me, whether it's the metric squirrel is using or the age and experience numbers I posted. Reynolds and Wessler have said the same thing the last two seasons heading in as well. We can go back and forth on semantics all day, the fact of the matter is we have enough experience to win, and have had enough to win year in and and year out. But we don't win, which means something or several things are missing. It's an excuse that holds little water, plain and simple.

[squirrelgotdead]

The ranking also does not take into account incomplete/redshirt years, either. And by my count (which could be wrong since I'm going off the top of my head) that's 6 years not figured in. And DD adds yet another JUCO year not figured to make it 7.

So to settle the argument, you are both right, but in different ways.

Mrcoachdude is right in that, in terms of DI experience playing this year, BU is only a middling league team.

BradleyBrave is right in that, in terms of maturity, seniority and overall game experience, BU's roster is a veteran one when you consider all that doesn't count in that statistic.

[Braves4Life]

We're in the top half of the MVC experience-wise according to squirrel's stat...will we finish there?

My expectations are still that we will finish in the top half. I'm sure Les and the players expect as much as well.

[BradleyBrave]

My expectations are still that we will finish in the top half. I'm sure Les and the players expect as much as well.

Agreed.

Should anything happen if those expectations aren't met?

[mrcoachdude]

We're in the top half of the MVC experience-wise according to squirrel's stat...will we finish there? More experience than over half the league.

And I said 'one of the' most experience teams, not 'THE' most experienced team. The numbers support me, whether it's the metric squirrel is using or the age and experience numbers I posted. Reynolds and Wessler have said the same thing the last two seasons heading in as well. We can go back and forth on semantics all day, the fact of the matter is we have enough experience to win, and have had enough to win year in and and year out. But we don't win, which means something or several things are missing. It's an excuse that holds little water, plain and simple.

Again I am not making any excuse, never did...but ask that, when you state things are a fact...that they are a fact...and again...we are not one of the oldest most experieced teams in the Valley...since the figures from squirrel are probably based on pre-season rosters...we have dropped down a bit I would think..

your statement about "we have enough experience to win" is a different matter...talk about semantics...mercy...

[Braves4Life]

Agreed.

Should anything happen if those expectations aren't met?

Regardless of what you or I might think, expect, or want to happen I don't think anything will happen unless this team completely flounders and plays with no heart or pride.

[BradleyBrave]

Again I am not making any excuse, never did...but ask that, when you state things are a fact...that they are a fact...and again...we are not one of the oldest most experieced teams in the Valley...since the figures from squirrel are probably based on pre-season rosters...we have dropped down a bit I would think..

your statement about "we have enough experience to win" is a different matter...talk about semantics...mercy...

If you go back to page 2 of this thread with people trying to explain away the poor road performance, the 'youth' excuse was brought out. Unfortunately, Indiana St is significantly younger than our Braves according to squirrel's metric.

(Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think squirrel's metric counts SM and TB, as squirrel mentioned that adding TB wouldn't change it much.)

And we do have one of the oldest, most experienced teams in the league. The metrics and age prove that. Is there any other team with a soon-to-be 24 year old point guard and a 23 year old shooting guard?

[ph]

How old will Sean Harris be his senior year?

[srw]

If you go back to page 2 of this thread with people trying to explain away the poor road performance, the 'youth' excuse was brought out. Unfortunately, Indiana St is significantly younger than our Braves according to squirrel's metric.

(Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think squirrel's metric counts SM and TB, as squirrel mentioned that adding TB wouldn't change it much.)

And we do have one of the oldest, most experienced teams in the league. The metrics and age prove that. Is there any other team with a soon-to-be 24 year old point guard and a 23 year old shooting guard?

I dont know about metrics etc.

But I will tell you this...This team can't possibly be young every year.Its sort of ridiculous.

Someone that is on the youth bandwagon. Please tell me when they were last "mature" or "old"

[Da Coach]

How old will Sean Harris be his senior year?

He was born 8/10/1989, so he is currently 21 years old.
He will be 24 as a senior.

[squirrelgotdead]

since the figures from squirrel are probably based on pre-season rosters....

While the data is pulled from that, if an individual does not play in any contest, they are not calculated.

[BradleyBrave]

I dont know about metrics etc.

But I will tell you this...This team can't possibly be young every year.Its sort of ridiculous.

Someone that is on the youth bandwagon. Please tell me when they were last "mature" or "old"

<Crickets chirping>

[real fan]

Agreed.

Should anything happen if those expectations aren't met?

nothing is going to happen plus I see no way we finish top 5 of the league because we have virtually no bench, I do not believe in the our guys will be tired if they play too many minutes a game theory as years ago before there were tv. time outs the best players never came out unless they were in foul trouble, these guys are 18-23 years old and should be able to play 40 minutes if needed , by using the 4 minute game time outs and using the bench ones that you get there is no reason why players need more rest and especially for this team as our production drops off too much after our 7th man.

[mrcoachdude]

If you go back to page 2 of this thread with people trying to explain away the poor road performance, the 'youth' excuse was brought out. Unfortunately, Indiana St is significantly younger than our Braves according to squirrel's metric.

(Also, I may be wrong, but I don't think squirrel's metric counts SM and TB, as squirrel mentioned that adding TB wouldn't change it much.)

And we do have one of the oldest, most experienced teams in the league. The metrics and age prove that. Is there any other team with a soon-to-be 24 year old point guard and a 23 year old shooting guard?

ok now its age and not experience...

[mrcoachdude]

While the data is pulled from that, if an individual does not play in any contest, they are not calculated.

So Sam is counted...but really the argument is not the data here, because it proves my point, that we are not one of the most experienced teams in the Valley...