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Illinois #1 and Northwestern #2, the rest of the state really drops off after those 2. Bradley is #6, though would easily be top 3 if everyone stayed healthy.
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time will tell, but I would NOT rank BU and SIU behind DePaul, ISU, and UIC..
if they choose to play such a boatload of cupcakes and lose to them anyway -- how can you place them that high?
UIC has lost to some pretty bad teams...
DePaul has NOT beaten anyone - they are 1-4 vs. the only opponents they have better than RPI 170, and their only won over anyone whose RPI is better than 170 was over Loyola proving the Loyola cannot be that good!
Loyola likewise hasn't beaten a single team whose RPI is 165 or better (Pomeroy) -- 8 of their wins are over teams >> 200!! And Pomeroy ranks Loyola's SOS thus far at #340 out of 345.
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Or if we didn't lose at home to EIU. Either one of those probably...Originally posted by Da Coach View PostPeople need to recognize there is a huge difference between playing hard, and playing well...Comment
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Losses this season by RPI
BU
266 EIU
219 Western Carolina
118 Utah
86 TCU
3 Duke
ISU
146 Ohio
129 UALR
11 UNLV
SIU
169 Northeastern
127 WKU
70 New Mexico
35 Illinois
28 Purdue
#'s taken from Warren Nolan. Pomeroy doesn't do RPI #'s anymore.Comment
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I get a kick out of an ISU fans trying to make the argument their schedule is toughComment
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It's not just who your losses are to, it's the weakness of the wins.Originally posted by cpacmel View Post
5. Illinois State (8-3): It??™s hard to fairly judge the Redbirds so far. They have won some games, but haven??™t really played anyone. In three of their more notable games, they lost to UNLV by 32 points and Ohio by two points and defeated UIC by 10...Comment
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Mel throws some stats up there and you deduct that he thinks our schedue is tough. Do you really think any of us think our schedule is tough?Originally posted by tornado View Post
You mock us for playing too many cupcakes (which we do). I'd consider a cupcake a team with an RPI over 200. You've lost to 2 of them. We've lost to none.
BU fans should be happy; you're ahead of a team that beat you on your home court."But instead lets just hate while their MBB and WBB programs play blackjack against BU. Twenty-One in a row, seven by the Men & 14 by their women." ~NSBF
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Uhhh, UIC just did beat then #12 Illinois! That's probably why they are ahead of us, at least for now. But agreed on the others, and if UIC tanks in Horizon play we should be able to finish ahead of them too if we have even a halfway decent year.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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I've never seen an ISU fan in the last 3 years attempt to make that argument, let alone anyone in this thread.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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There may have been one or two that have tried, but you're right, the majority of ISU fans are embarrassed by their scheduling.Originally posted by TheAsianSensation View Post
You know, the Valley did a nice job the last week or two of winning the games they should have, Drake notwithstanding. The Valley has a better overall record due to most teams currently playing the soft part of their schedule, and due to a few recent quality wins. I would like to think that the slow start was due to the overall more difficult schedule that the Valley set this year. And that is a good thing even if the results weren't as good as most would have liked to have seen considering we have several veteran teams playing this year. But ISU is the one big thorn in the Valley's side, and that's inexcusable.
To schedule as they have in recent years show that they are playing scared. I know that maybe their inflated win total did contribute to some NIT appearances, but toughening up their schedule in exchange for two or three fewer wins would still not hurt their NIT chances as conference wins tend to dictate NIT invites more than overall record. I hope they get the message one of these years that scheduling those creampuffs will not do anyone any favors. I say one or two more years of scheduling like they have should result in some sort of fine from the league. Enough already!Comment
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Judging by our results, the fluke looks like USC, not EIU. Hard to argue in BU's favor when you lose at home to a team as bad as Eastern.Onward and Upward!
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Yea... and really, any wins by Bradley over the past 9 seasons have been flukes... it's the losses that are never flukes.Originally posted by BradleyBrave View Post
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Bravesfan you do know that Coach Jankovich has won 65% of his MVC games in the 3 years he has been at ISU. His teams have finished 2nd, 3rd and 3rd in the MVC regular season standings. 2 of his first 3 years he was in the MVC Championship game.Originally posted by Bravesfan View Post
His first years at ISU, the Redbirds have finished with RPI's of 37, 47 and 76. And in those 3 years only 4 MVC teams TOTAL have had better RPI's.
Those are facts. You can try and dispute them if you want or try to spin them if you like. But they are what they are.
Sure I wish we would schedule tougher foes. Most ISU fans I know feel that way. But I don't think one can really argue Jank's results in his first 3 years in Normal.
As far as this year goes, ISU is very young and inexperienced. That's not excuse, it's a fact. ISU has the 23rd youngest team out of 346 D I's schools.Comment
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Who said that?Originally posted by MacabreMob View PostYea... and really, any wins by Bradley over the past 9 seasons have been flukes... it's the losses that are never flukes.Onward and Upward!
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Ummm - I think I just did.Originally posted by BradleyBrave View Post
Don't read too deep into it. I wasn't trying to aim-n-flame at anyone in particular.
I am only saying what seems to be the common theme of many Bradley fans, Bradley haters, and the local rag.
Our wins are flukes and are losses never are. Same old, same old.
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