NCAA rules indiana 7' ineligible

[Big Mike]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/11/ncaa-declares-indiana-7-footer-ineligible.html

[tornado]

Where Guy-Marc Michel's case is so different from other Euro kids...

not only did he play on a team with other pros, he actually signed a contract to play with the French pro team, which actually is far more serious of a violation than just playing as a call-up from the amateur team...
(And since he signed such a pro-contract AFTER he had enrolled in college, the minimum NCAA penalty for such a violation is a FULL year plus 2 additional game for each game played in).
...so, even if the NCAA were to clear Michel, his penalty would be like Lucca Staiger's at Iowa State or like Mario Stula's at DePaul -- he'd be docked one entire YEAR plus 2X the number of games he played professionally (10 more).

Then the other big mistake was that he obviously enrolled in college in fall of 2006 in France....this is apparently not being disputed...thus his NCAA eligibility clock would run out in spring of 2011, and he'd be unable to serve the penalty and have any eligibility remaining..

BUT -- here's the real question...
if this is all the case...then the kid perhaps wasted at least two and maybe three years of his life going to junior college and now IU....since the only reason he's doing that is to get eligible at D-I ---
Had he known of this outcome, he could have stayed in France and played pro ball the last 3 years and made a decent income...and in all likelihood, now he'll just leave Indiana and go back to Europe...unless he wants to stay and get his degree.

So couldn't he have filed all his papers 3 years ago and had the NCAA rule on this so he could have known then -- the facts have NOT changed since 2007, so so he could have gotten and known the same ruling 3 years ago -- so it's tough on the kid to find himself in his 3rd season in America, but no eligibility left and still he has never played a single D-I game.
I'd say his handlers didn't do a very good job for this kid......nor did the folks at Indiana...

The NCAA Eligibility Center is right there in Indianapolis -- couldn't they have started this process for the kid a little more promptly and efficiently amd gottena ruling..now they've tied up a scholarship on a kid who can't play and the kid has virtually nowhere to go in the US to ever earn a living playing basketball.

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/113010aac.html

But here's the thing that galls me....how did this kid get cleared by NJCAA and allowed to play
two full seasons in junior college, when the exact same set of rules denied John Wilkins the
ability to ever play a single minute in juco? Just more proof that the decision against JW
was arbitrary, capricious, unfair, and motivated by some form of agenda....
Plus there are hundreds of other similar juco kids who have more professional ties than Wilkins
ever had and not one has ever missed even one single second of play for their junior college.
So there's even more evidence that something peculiar motivated the JW decision...and it clearly was NOT
because Wilkins violated rules that they ever bothered to enforce at any point ever in all their history..

[tornado]

here's an oddity -- now the Indiana people are saying that even if Guy Marc Michel stays at Indiana to finish and get his degree in 2012, that he can stay on scholarship...
but the real clincher is that even if he stays on scholarship - it won't count against their 13-scholarship limit...
that's the real boggler -- that IU will then have 14 kids on scholarship for 2011-2012....but one won't be able to play...
Hmmm...that seems a bit odd and unfair for IU to have 14 on basketball scholarship even if one or more are not playing......

[amckillip]

here's an oddity -- now the Indiana people are saying that even if Guy Marc Michel stays at Indiana to finish and get his degree in 2012, that he can stay on scholarship...
but the real clincher is that even if he stays on scholarship - it won't count against their 13-scholarship limit...
that's the real boggler -- that IU will then have 14 kids on scholarship for 2011-2012....but one won't be able to play...
Hmmm...that seems a bit odd and unfair for IU to have 14 on basketball scholarship even if one or more are not playing......

Bradley regularly has players who no longer play on scholarship. Zach Andrews did it, Matt Salley did etc. How is this any different?

[tornado]

I have no idea what you're talking about -- no Bradley player has ever remained in college and on basketball scholarship while we also had 13 additional other guys on scholarship..

If you're referring to Matt Salley taking a few extra courses to finish his degree...he definitely was NOT on athletic scholarship while doing so..

[amckillip]

I have no idea what you're talking about -- no Bradley player has ever remained in college and on basketball scholarship while we also had 13 additional other guys on scholarship..

If you're referring to Matt Salley taking a few extra courses to finish his degree...he definitely was NOT on athletic scholarship while doing so..

No one on the IU board said it was athletic scholarship. BU provides education after a players 4 years of eligibility are up for athletes to get their degrees if they do not finish in 4 years. This is supported by donations from BU alum. I am very surprised you do not know about this.

[Braves4Life]

BU provides education after a players 4 years of eligibility are up for athletes to get their degrees if they do not finish in 4 years. This is supported by donations from BU alum. I am very surprised you do not know about this.

I did not know that. That's news to me. I'm not doubting you amckillip, I've just never heard of that before.

[tornado]

Multiple news releases said quite plainly that Michel will retain his scholarship for this year....what happens nextyear isn't determined yet...

and nobody cares who pays for anyone's education at Bradley unless they are on the team or practicing with the team...
Guy-Marc Michel is said to still be a full member of the Hoosier team, although ineligible, and is practicing with the team..thus they would have 14 on scholarship next year as it's currently planned...
So, I fail to see even the slightest similarity with Matt Salley...

[amckillip]

Multiple news releases said quite plainly that Michel will retain his scholarship for this year....what happens nextyear isn't determined yet...

and nobody cares who pays for anyone's education at Bradley unless they are on the team or practicing with the team...
Guy-Marc Michel is said to still be a full member of the Hoosier team, although ineligible, and is practicing with the team..thus they would have 14 on scholarship next year as it's currently planned...
So, I fail to see even the slightest similarity with Matt Salley...

If this guy is isn't playing in games its exactly the same thing. That's the similarity.

[tornado]

the NCAA certainly sees a huge difference between a guy who practices with the team and who receives an athletic scholarship, and a guy who does neither...ask Enes Kanter..

[amckillip]

the NCAA certainly sees a huge difference between a guy who practices with the team and who receives an athletic scholarship, and a guy who does neither...ask Enes Kanter..

Who says its going to be an athletic scholarship???? It's the same thing BU does. I understand you hate IU, I do too, but lets not make up arbitrary differences in what the two programs do just to attack them.

[tornado]

I don't like IU but that has nothing to do with this..
the release from IU makes it pretty clear that the Athletic Dept. ..
".. will continue to honor Guy's scholarship" until he graduates....so it's not me dragging the irrelevant stuff about Matt Salley into this

[amckillip]

I don't like IU but that has nothing to do with this..
the release from IU makes it pretty clear that the Athletic Dept. ..
".. will continue to honor Guy's scholarship" until he graduates....so it's not me dragging the irrelevant stuff about Matt Salley into this

ITS THE SAME THING. Matt Salley, Zach Andrews, tons of players at BU continue on scholarship when they are out of eligibility, it happens in other sports at BU all the time. There is nothing wrong with it. What is the difference? Private donations supporting a former player, the money is not athletic scholarship nor academic based. What's the difference? You conspiracy theories are outrageous some times. IU is doing nothing wrong, unethical, or anything out of the norm what so ever.

[tornado]

no conspiracy just facts and their own words.....
..now -- are you also hinting that schools like Indiana never cheat or catch amazingly nice breaks from NCAA??

[amckillip]

no conspiracy just facts and their own words.....
..now -- are you also hinting that schools like Indiana never cheat or catch amazingly nice breaks from NCAA??

Let's not go overboard here, I just don't think the current issue is any big deal.