TCU to join Big East for all sports

[lake Camelot]

Nobody else thinks this is the stupidest thing they ever heard of? I don't get it. I thought it was a joke. Big East ? in Texas.

[BradleyBrave]

Nobody else thinks this is the stupidest thing they ever heard of? I don't get it. I thought it eas a joke. Big East ? in Texas.

No.

The dumbest thing I have ever heard of is the Big 10 having 12 teams, and the Big 12 having 10 teams.

[amckillip]

Nobody else thinks this is the stupidest thing they ever heard of? I don't get it. I thought it eas a joke. Big East ? in Texas.

The Missouri Valley in Evansville? Or Terre Haute?

[theBUer]

The Missouri Valley in Evansville? Or Terre Haute?

Or Macomb or Indianapolis in the Summit League...

[Rusty 54]

I wonder if being in the big east would hurt recruiting in CU's non-revenue sports? Not that TCU or other superconference schools cares that much because of football $, but those are some long bus trips for volleyball, track, softball etc.

[Bravesfan]

The big east will now have......17 teams in conference for basketball!! this is just another step toward the superconferences taking over and mid-majors going bye bye. Can u say division 2 is in alot of mid-majors futures?

That's what I have been saying for awhile too. Maybe Bradley and some other mid-majors better look into joining a few of these BCS conferences if they want to avoid being lost in the shuffle when this happens.

[theBUer]

That's what I have been saying for awhile too. Maybe Bradley and some other mid-majors better look into joining a few of these BCS conferences if they want to avoid being lost in the shuffle when this happens.

BCS Conference? First, BU should try to beat EIU when the time comes to meet. Second, BCS (that designation) only applies to football. Unless BU has the money to move up to that level, we will always be mid-major with no football team. In fact, football would be a money pit, even if it was non-scholarship...

DePaul and Seton Hall don't have football, but they are in larger markets. The BE would love for them to run the table.

[BradleyBrave]

BCS Conference? First, BU should try to beat EIU when the time comes to meet. Second, BCS (that designation) only applies to football. Unless BU has the money to move up to that level, we will always be mid-major with no football team. In fact, football would be a money pit, even if it was non-scholarship...

DePaul and Seton Hall don't have football, but they are in larger markets. The BE would love for them to run the table.

BU doesn't have to buy their way in. You don't pay your way in unless you're paying a fee to the league you're leaving.

BCS teams lose to crappy teams like EIU too. That's irrelevant.

BU would draw better as good or better ratings than DePaul.

[theBUer]

BU doesn't have to buy their way in. You don't pay your way in unless you're paying a fee to the league you're leaving.

BCS teams lose to crappy teams like EIU too. That's irrelevant.

BU would draw better as good or better ratings than DePaul.

My point is that I am not concerned about BU "moving up." The BE did not take USF, and now TCU, for their powerhouse basketball programs. And sure power teams lose to smaller, weaker teams---but hey teams like KU (losing to Oral Roberts at home) still make the dance a lot more than we do.

DePaul faces not just competing with the pro teams, but being that it is a commuter school also plays out in the burbs near O'Hare. They'd get better ratings if they simply won, I mean I'm sure more folks follow Marquette in Chicagoland than they do Bradley.

Big East needs DePaul to compete.

[thefish7]

Big East needs DePaul to compete.

With what? If Chicago pays attention to a conference it's the Big Ten for Illinois and Notre Dame for football-- I GUESS you could call NDU a Big East team. DePaul being in the Big East doesn't contribute money, ratings, or exposure to the Big East.

[depaulfan]

It allows other Big East schools to get access to Chicago players which is a hot bed for talent. Which overall will improve the talent in the league and keep ratings up. If DePaul were to become consistently good which will take a minimum of 3 years.... the money ESPN, and the Big East would make is great. And what is it really costing the Big East to have a school like DePaul in there conference?

Adding a school like TCU improves the Big East football rankings...and also allows other schools to now access a hot bed of talent in Texas...kind of why they added USF...they get access to Florida players as well.

[thefish7]

So you think georgetown or syracuse couldn't recruit in chicago if depaul wasnt in the conference? What?

The cost for the other schools in the Big East is that they have to share conference revenues with all other members so if a school contributes less than 1/16 of conference revenues it means that over time they're reducing the income of the schools that contribute 1/16 or more.

[depaulfan]

So you think georgetown or syracuse couldn't recruit in chicago if depaul wasnt in the conference? What?

The cost for the other schools in the Big East is that they have to share conference revenues with all other members so if a school contributes less than 1/16 of conference revenues it means that over time they're reducing the income of the schools that contribute 1/16 or more.

Well I used those two schools for examples...and from 2003-2011. Syracuse has not had one player on their commit from Chicago. Actually they've only had one player from Illinois even list them as a top school and that was Anthony Davis in this previous year.

I then looked at Georgetown from 2002-2004...and had no players commit from the State of Illinois to G-Town and actually had no players even mention them as potential school from the State of Illinois. 2005 was the year the Big East expanded...from there...here are the classes for Georgetown.

2005- DeAndre Thomas- Commits to Missouri
2006-DeVan Bawinkel-West Virginia and Daveed Dildy-Stanford (Side note West Virginia also got Desean Butler from Chicago)
2007- Mac Koshwal-DePaul Beas Hamga- UNLV
2008- Michael Dunnigan-Oregon Kyle Rowley- Northwestern
2009- No Interest

So ironically enough...Syracuse and Georgetown do not have commitments from Illinois before of after Big East Expansion. My whole point is it opens a door for them and as you can tell from a Georgetown perspective it looks as though they made an effort to get Chicago players to head to DC.

Edit: Used Scout.com Database.

[thefish7]

Okay... Your data doesn't support either position. I just don't think I can be convinced that the membership of depaul allows access to chicago recruiting for other big east members. My opinion is based on how I think recruiting works.

[depaulfan]

Okay... Your data doesn't support either position. I just don't think I can be convinced that the membership of depaul allows access to chicago recruiting for other big east members. My opinion is based on how I think recruiting works.

You mentioned Georgetown and Syracuse being able to recruit Chicago with or without DePaul. Well Syracuse hasn't really recruited Chicago....

Georgetown didn't have a player from 2002-2005 List them from the State of Illinois...after a team from the Chicago market joins they going on to have classes that begin listing Chicago players. They picked their efforts up in Chicago.

Players like to play in front of there family, players like the fact that they can come back home. It helps with recruiting. That was my overall point.