Wessler: Nothing good about Bradleys loss...

[real fan]

I'm done rehashing this subject over with you. You must not remember that 9-20 team was made up with mostly freshmen and a few good seniors. One who ended up being hurt most of the season. I like you was ready for Mo to move on. His teams were very boring at the end. Sounds very familar today. Look at the rest of Mo's records removing his 1st 2 years. He was bringing in his own players from the Albeck mess. Take those three years out and Mo had pretty good teams and his record doesn't include a bunch of wins from cupcake tourneys that we've play of late. I agree it was time for Mo to move on and if things don't change in a hurry it will be time for another change. P.S. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see a change coming.

!00% correct on this, I wonder if some of these posters even have a clue about what has transpired at BU over the last 20 years as far as mens basketball, either our players are not as good as advertised or the coach is not doing a good job, well it was the coach that told us these guys are good so it leads directly to him .

[amckillip]

!00% correct on this, I wonder if some of these posters even have a clue about what has transpired at BU over the last 20 years as far as mens basketball, either our players are not as good as advertised or the coach is not doing a good job, well it was the coach that told us these guys are good so it leads directly to him .

WHO HAS SAID THE COACH IS DOING A GOOD JOB?!?!? Do you guys even read posts??? Seriously. I'll re-quote it for you. Give it a shot.

The players you're saying are so good finished 9-20. 9-20! D@mn straight you won't change my mind. We're at half the win total already and were at meltdown!!! Quit throwing around 'as AMC wants you to believe' I'm not trying to pull the wool over your eyes, it's my opinion, get over it. If you would read my posts you'd see that I am not sold on JL at all. But that would require comprehending and argument, not just reading the first few words. Something that clearly is beyond a reasonable request.

[real fan]

I cannot believe that people are wanting for MO. His teams became unwatchable. Unfortunately that is exactly what I have seen this year (and part of last year). Despite the wins over cupcakes, those games were just horrible to watch. Does anyone remember 30 seconds of passing the ball around the perimeter followed by a horrible shot? No more MO basketball!

IF JL has as much talent on this team as people claim, then what's the problem? IF SM is too hurt to play effectively, then why is he out there? If increasingly worse season results are acceptable, then why am I still a fan?

One Jim has turned into the other Jim as our team has not been fun to watch because they struggle to score, sound familiar?

[amckillip]

Are you really disputing the talent on the 9-20 team? Danny Granger, plus Joah Tucker (Horizon POY), Antoine Tisby (SEC player), and 2 all-MVC guys (Gilbert and Gillingham). Your bench consists of Marcello Robinson and Mike Suggs, both very solid player for both Mo and Jim Les. Jason Faulknor was also on that roster, and may have been serviceable had it not been for a myriad of injuries. But he's the 8th guy I am talking about. It could be one of the biggest wastes of talent in Bradley history...but the talent level on that team is indisputable. Talent wasn't an issue then. It hasn't been an issue for the better part of the JL era, but in almost all areas, we're either on par or worse off than we were record-wise. The number of end of year all-league players tilts quite a bit in Mo's favor as well, which again is hard to argue against.

Again, I wanted Mo GONE after that year. Maybe I was a year premature, but I couldn't and still can't fathom 9-20 with that team. In hindsight I think that team had a couple league titles in it, but we will never know. Hindsight is always 20/20.

It's either the talent or the coaching, either way, the coaches fault. This is my point. I don't know why that team went 9-20, I don't care. They didn't even get 10 wins!!!

Either JL is getting more with less, or has better talent. People on here want it neither way. It doesn't work like that. If the talent was young, the coach should have spread it out more. Not you BB, but I love on here how people will argue that it's all JL's fault, but then MO should be excused because they were young. If it's all up to the coach, it's all up to the coach. But that wouldn't fit into the pattern of needlessy bashing our current head coach, so they don't worry about that.

[unbekannt]

It's either the talent or the coaching, either way, the coaches fault.

Thank you!

About 5 years ago, I had my best year at my job (by far!). After that I immediately renegotiated my contract and haven't had similar results. Many people argue that I'm getting worse every year. Luckily I don't work in the real world and still have a job!

[tornado]

It's either the talent or the coaching, either way, the coaches fault. .....

I guess if I was coach, I would grow pretty tired of the constant attacks from the press, from fans, on message boards..
hey -- just being a message board poster gets me attacked...I can only imagine what the coach sees and hears....
Even if you don't like the current coach this cacophony of rips and criticisms will surely guarantee that we'll get gobs of great applicants for the position
and we'll probably hire away the current head coach of EKU or Army, so be prepared...
Just as people whined and wailed a few years ago to get rid of Mo, they're at it again ..and next time around will probably only give the new guy 2-3 years before it starts again...

[amckillip]

I guess if I was coach, I would grow pretty tired of the constant attacks from the press, from fans, on message boards..
hey -- just being a message board poster gets me attacked...I can only imagine what the coach sees and hears....
Even if you don't like the current coach this cacophony of rips and criticisms will surely guarantee that we'll get gobs of great applicants for the position
and we'll probbaly hire away the current head coach of EKU or Army, so be prepared...
Just as people whined and wailed a few years ago to get rid of Mo, they're at it again ..and next time around will probably only give the new guy 2-3 years before it starts again...

I couldn't agree more. I think you're agreeing with me... But it is very clear many on here have a penchant for bashing the current head coach. I have said countless times, I am not a huge JL fan, but think he does a great job recruiting and love his attitude toward grades and discipline. And some that makes me the enemy and clearly I think JL is god and have never seen a BU Basketball game, even though I post otherwise, quite often. I really don't think people understand what our next hire will be and they might very well be longing for the days of JL.

[tornado]

I think fair criticism is fair -- just say it and let it be...
it's the endless drones of the same thing - the turning over every thread, even threads about totally different subjects, into JL-bashing - and the preemptive slams about being on the hot seat - and the slamming of JL for things (like injuries) that he has no control over...
It seems to never end, and yet if we had taken a poll at the start of the season, most would have said they'd be happy with 4-2 at this point...

[SaintLouBrave22]

I couldn't agree more. I think you're agreeing with me... But it is very clear many on here have a penchant for bashing the current head coach. I have said countless times, I am not a huge JL fan, but think he does a great job recruiting and love his attitude toward grades and discipline. And some that makes me the enemy and clearly I think JL is god and have never seen a BU Basketball game, even though I post otherwise, quite often. I really don't think people understand what our next hire will be and they might very well be longing for the days of JL.

Grades and discipline are nice but they aren't gonna get butts in the seats...

Sorry to inform you but most people going to the games want to see good BASKETBALL played...not a debate or chess match...

Yes he may recruit better, but shouldn't that translate to wins and championships?

9 years and ZERO championships...

After 8+ there is no fence here...you're on one side or the other...

Clearly you are on the keep him and sustain middle of the road side...

While that's fine, it certainly doesn't give you the right to go all high and mighty and assume that your opinion means much more than others that frequent this board...

Simple facts have been stated and others have been opinion, BUT I can flat out guarantee that if the embarrassment and home losses continue, attendance will go way down and people will rather stay at home and watch Law & Order reruns than this non sense!

While many of us appreciate what these kids do in the community many of the fans and ALL of the casual fans only care about what happens in between the lines, and in this market and the economy, that's more who has to be catered to.

Whether you're on the pro or anti Les side, a decision for all of us has to be made...

-good recruiting + poor coaching = average results

OR

We go with a new coach and possibly lose recruits and are not sure of the results...could be better or could be worse...we just do not know.

I for one am ready for someone and anyone that can build a consistent offense and defense and win at least 1 championship...our last was in 1996 recall.

I agree that I am not certain the current administration could make an educated decision and a great hire, but at this point, should that really stop us from a change? That is part of the question I pose from earlier in this post...

All rambling aside, something has to give this year I feel and in an average MVC, if we can not finish 4th or higher even without Taylor, this should be the end of the line.

[amckillip]

Grades and discipline are nice but they aren't gonna get butts in the seats...

Sorry to inform you but most people going to the games want to see good BASKETBALL played...not a debate or chess match...

Yes he may recruit better, but shouldn't that translate to wins and championships?

9 years and ZERO championships...

After 8+ there is no fence here...you're on one side or the other...

Clearly you are on the keep him and sustain middle of the road side...

While that's fine, it certainly doesn't give you the right to go all high and mighty and assume that your opinion means much more than others that frequent this board...

Simple facts have been stated and others have been opinion, BUT I can flat out guarantee that if the embarrassment and home losses continue, attendance will go way down and people will rather stay at home and watch Law & Order reruns than this non sense!

While many of us appreciate what these kids do in the community many of the fans and ALL of the casual fans only care about what happens in between the lines, and in this market and the economy, that's more who has to be catered to.

Whether you're on the pro or anti Les side, a decision for all of us has to be made...

-good recruiting + poor coaching = average results

OR

We go with a new coach and possibly lose recruits and are not sure of the results...could be better or could be worse...we just do not know.

I for one am ready for someone and anyone that can build a consistent offense and defense and win at least 1 championship...our last was in 1996 recall.

I agree that I am not certain the current administration could make an educated decision and a great hire, but at this point, should that really stop us from a change? That is part of the question I pose from earlier in this post...

All rambling aside, something has to give this year I feel and in an average MVC, if we can not finish 4th or higher even without Taylor, this should be the end of the line.

Seriously, please read my posts. I am so tired of being told my opinion when I have stated otherwise multiple times. Seriously. Before quoting anyone, read their posts, understand their argument. Think. Stop. Read. Think. Read again if necessary. Comprehend. Stop reposting the same thing. Then post.

[shaunguth]

Maybe they didnt buy in to the system

Or maybe MO coached his players to miss layups, turn the ball over, and miss their freethrows?

[shaunguth]

It's either the talent or the coaching, either way, the coaches fault. This is my point. I don't know why that team went 9-20, I don't care. They didn't even get 10 wins!!!

Either JL is getting more with less, or has better talent. People on here want it neither way. It doesn't work like that. If the talent was young, the coach should have spread it out more. Not you BB, but I love on here how people will argue that it's all JL's fault, but then MO should be excused because they were young. If it's all up to the coach, it's all up to the coach. But that wouldn't fit into the pattern of needlessy bashing our current head coach, so they don't worry about that.

Exactly! If every minute detail concerning the current basketball program is the direct result of something the head coach has done, then it must be true for every other college basketball coach in the country, past and present.

[shaunguth]

I guess if I was coach, I would grow pretty tired of the constant attacks from the press, from fans, on message boards..
hey -- just being a message board poster gets me attacked...I can only imagine what the coach sees and hears....
Even if you don't like the current coach this cacophony of rips and criticisms will surely guarantee that we'll get gobs of great applicants for the position
and we'll probably hire away the current head coach of EKU or Army, so be prepared...
Just as people whined and wailed a few years ago to get rid of Mo, they're at it again ..and next time around will probably only give the new guy 2-3 years before it starts again...

I'm not sure why we wouldn't hire the head coach from EIU since he apparently prepares his players better.

[shaunguth]

All rambling aside, something has to give this year I feel and in an average MVC, if we can not finish 4th or higher even without Taylor, this should be the end of the line.

At least you're giving him until the end of the year now. I was under the impression you wanted him fired six games into the season.

[real fan]

I guess if I was coach, I would grow pretty tired of the constant attacks from the press, from fans, on message boards..
hey -- just being a message board poster gets me attacked...I can only imagine what the coach sees and hears....
Even if you don't like the current coach this cacophony of rips and criticisms will surely guarantee that we'll get gobs of great applicants for the position
and we'll probably hire away the current head coach of EKU or Army, so be prepared...
Just as people whined and wailed a few years ago to get rid of Mo, they're at it again ..and next time around will probably only give the new guy 2-3 years before it starts again...

Bottom line, the coach gets paid a lot of money to win , in sports you have to be able to withstand the critics , I am sure it hurts to hear all the bad things that people say about the program but it is just part of the territory.
I have been going to Bradley games over 40 plus years and the only way you get the support of the fan base is to win, J.Stowell was one of the finest basketball coaches around, whenever he was lucky enough to have good talent he won games because he was a great coach, just could not recruit good enough and was let go, if he had the talent these last 2 BU coaches had we would have won multiple championships .