Wessler: Nothing good about Bradleys loss...

[wily coyote]

Sammy being hurt means he doesn't have talent????
Dodie was highly recruited, had major programs on him.
If you can't see the talent in WL, DSE, and JP, I don't know what you're watching.
Throw TB in there and we have plenty of talent.

AMC I have to agree with SRW on this one. I'm not saying we don't have any talent just not enough to compete for a Valley title year in and year out. In fact we haven't had enough the last nine years. So I'm not sure what your watching or if you know how to evaluate talent .I'm in SRWs corner on this one . Mo brought in alot better players then we've had the last nine years and look what that got him i.e.Parker ,Granger, Tucker,Grigsby etc. Two current NBA'ers and an all star.No question who is the better recruiter and we won't even go into coaching.

[amckillip]

AMC I have to agree with SRW on this one. I'm not saying we don't have any talent just not enough to compete for a Valley title year in and year out. In fact we haven't had enough the last nine years. So I'm not sure what your watching or if you know how to evaluate talent .I'm in SRWs corner on this one . Mo brought in alot better players then we've had the last nine years and look what that got him i.e.Parker ,Granger, Tucker,Grigsby etc. Two current NBA'ers and an all star.No question who is the better recruiter and we won't even go into coaching.

I couldn't care less about NBA, it's a totally different game and has absolutely nothing to do with success in the MVC. I want a team full of SM's, TW's, ZA's, Boogies, and JC's over a team full of guys like Danny Granger who helped BU do absolutely nothing. There is no question who is a better recruiter. Top to bottom it's JL hands-down. I agree with the coaching not being as good in most respects, but to try to act like the guys we have the last decade aren't as good as the 90's is hilarious, especially when you bring Granger into the conversation.

[theBUer]

I couldn't care less about NBA, it's a totally different game and has absolutely nothing to do with success in the MVC. I want a team full of SM's, TW's, ZA's, Boogies, and JC's over a team full of guys like Danny Granger who helped BU do absolutely nothing. There is no question who is a better recruiter. Top to bottom it's JL hands-down. I agree with the coaching not being as good in most respects, but to try to act like the guys we have the last decade aren't as good as the 90's is hilarious, especially when you bring Granger into the conversation.

Just remember this amc, if a college player plays in the NBA, it won't hurt them so much if their team gets bounced in the playoffs or if the team goes to the lottery. If they do okay, they will have more chances to try again. Either with the same team, or be traded to another and be a bench warmer.

But for the college player that has no chance for the NBA (or even a pro league overseas), it hurts a hell of a lot more because they only have four years (sans redshirt) to really win it all.

I like watching the NBA, I mean I wouldn't watch it if BU or any other Valley team is on.

[wily coyote]

I couldn't care less about NBA, it's a totally different game and has absolutely nothing to do with success in the MVC. I want a team full of SM's, TW's, ZA's, Boogies, and JC's over a team full of guys like Danny Granger who helped BU do absolutely nothing. There is no question who is a better recruiter. Top to bottom it's JL hands-down. I agree with the coaching not being as good in most respects, but to try to act like the guys we have the last decade aren't as good as the 90's is hilarious, especially when you bring Granger into the conversation.

We will certainly have to agree to disagree 100%. I couldn't care less about the NBA either but you totally missed the point. The talent we brought in under MO was much better then we have brought in the last 9 years. I wasn't happy with Granger either but we can't just make him go away. He was here and is a much better player then we've had here since HH.

[Beninator]

I couldn't care less about NBA, it's a totally different game and has absolutely nothing to do with success in the MVC. I want a team full of SM's, TW's, ZA's, Boogies, and JC's over a team full of guys like Danny Granger who helped BU do absolutely nothing. There is no question who is a better recruiter. Top to bottom it's JL hands-down. I agree with the coaching not being as good in most respects, but to try to act like the guys we have the last decade aren't as good as the 90's is hilarious, especially when you bring Granger into the conversation.

Well said. I very much agree with your post!

[Bravesfan]

I don't see the talent.

Sammy is hurt....
Andrew only plays one side of the ball, and really struggles against athletic defenders
dodie is slightly above average.
Everyone else is a role player.

The only way for this team to win is to be outstanding defensively....

Well I think there is talent on this team. At least that's what many thought of his recruits. But it all comes down to talent, desire and coaching. Don't know what the problem is with this team, but hopefully it's only a desire to win. That's fixable. They just need to do it in a hurry!

[Bravesfan]

All true but he needs to point out OTHER MVC teams have lost games against inferior opponents so that Ma and Pa kettle that don't have bradleyfans and that take the PJ Star as gospel understand its not just BU that stinks........

Well, I really don't care about the rest of the Valley since right now I'm most concerned about BU getting back on track. Tuesday night at W. Carolina will be a VERY important test for us.

[BradleyBrave]

I couldn't care less about NBA, it's a totally different game and has absolutely nothing to do with success in the MVC. I want a team full of SM's, TW's, ZA's, Boogies, and JC's over a team full of guys like Danny Granger who helped BU do absolutely nothing. There is no question who is a better recruiter. Top to bottom it's JL hands-down. I agree with the coaching not being as good in most respects, but to try to act like the guys we have the last decade aren't as good as the 90's is hilarious, especially when you bring Granger into the conversation.

Agreed that the NBA thing means nothing really. But I think you missed about a decade of BU hoops if you think it's JL hands down, because it isn't. One of the gripes with Mo (and there were many) was that we weren't fully utilizing a lot of talent that we had. Did you even watch BU closely back then?

But if it was JL 'hands down', why isn't our record better?

[Bravesfan]

We better get better quick cause EIU is the last patsy on our schedule.

Well, Utah is not that great again this year, and Jackson St. is only slightly better than EIU. Those are two must wins right there!

[BU RICK]

Nothing good about Bradley's loss?

We built up EIU's confidence. Maybe they win their conference because of it. You get where I'm going....

Somehow we make the tournament too. We're both low seeds but we're higher for how we've played since, both Cinderellas so to speak and pull off a few upsets along the way and meet again. The good thing about the loss, we should know how to beat their complex offense now

[srw]

I do not agree here.

1st, we are averaging on 62 ppg/against. I don't think we can do much better than that defensively.

2nd, I do see talent. SM has it. AW has it. WE could, if he were not being played out of position, with his back to the basket. DSE, DD, and WL, all have it as well.

BU needs to do a better job of putting these players in a position to succeed.

JD

Sammy is not healthy. IMO even when healthy, he is not as talented as the other elite PG's here at BU (Les Manuel Ruffin Dye) He is good, just not elite.

The other guys I disagree with. How many shots does egolf have to miss.

And lets say you are right on him...Then we still have no center, which is why he is out of position.

[srw]

I couldn't care less about NBA, it's a totally different game and has absolutely nothing to do with success in the MVC. I want a team full of SM's, TW's, ZA's, Boogies, and JC's over a team full of guys like Danny Granger who helped BU do absolutely nothing. There is no question who is a better recruiter. Top to bottom it's JL hands-down. I agree with the coaching not being as good in most respects, but to try to act like the guys we have the last decade aren't as good as the 90's is hilarious, especially when you bring Granger into the conversation.

This is a never ending battle.

But seriously. How many games in the 90's did you see? I don't think JL is a bad recruiter. I don't think Mo was a bad recruiter....

But to say its "JL" hands down...I say..Count all conference players....Then see where you get. Its way comparable.

AND the top two players since 1993 to wear a BU uniform were Parker and Granger. Thats the reason they are playing for millions of dollars.

[BradleyJD]

JD

Sammy is not healthy. IMO even when healthy, he is not as talented as the other elite PG's here at BU (Les Manuel Ruffin Dye) He is good, just not elite.

The other guys I disagree with. How many shots does egolf have to miss.

And lets say you are right on him...Then we still have no center, which is why he is out of position.

Sammy is good, but hurt. I would not say he is elite either.

Egolf does miss too many shots, but he shouldn't be playing in the paint.

We do not have a center, you are correct.

[BradleyBrave]

Sammy is not healthy. IMO even when healthy, he is not as talented as the other elite PG's here at BU (Les Manuel Ruffin Dye) He is good, just not elite.

Agree here. Love Sammy, but people forget how good Rob Dye was. He'd have scored 20 PPG had he been given the offensive freedom that JL gives his players. People also forget how a very bad ankle sprain ruined his senior year, and BU's entire '99-'00 season.

As far as overall talent is concerned, JL is a guy who likes to score points. Heck, part of the reason he was hired was because we needed to pay more attention to the offensive part of the game (see the transcript of his opening presser). Up until the past couple of seasons, scoring points has never been a problem for JL-coached teams. I don't think his system or his philosophies have really changed, but the players have. That would indicate that the quality of players on the floor has gone down, especially from an offensive skills standpoint.

[srw]

Sammy is good, but hurt. I would not say he is elite either.

Egolf does miss too many shots, but he shouldn't be playing in the paint.

We do not have a center, you are correct.

Im sorry I sort of forgot to complete this thought...

Our centers thus are not talented which is why I made the comment in the first place