Rebounding and Taylor Brown

[bigdaddystuck]

I might be wrong...

but if you compare our defensive rebounding #'s and the opponents offensive rebounding #'s (basically their chances at 2nd chance points) we are winning that battle. We are averaging 23 defensive rebounds per game and the opposition is averaging 12 offensive rebounds per game. So if I am correct we are limiting their 2nd chance points. Which is good.

The problem lies in our offensive rebounding. The averages are 10.3 for BU and 31.3 for the opponents.

I think we have the ability to rebound, evidence by the defensive numbers. The way we run the offense which is pretty much shoot and bail...limits our chances of getting an offensive rebound. This would not matter if we shot a high precentage, but at 38%, our shooting isn't going to get it done!

[dogsrus]

I might be wrong...

but if you compare our defensive rebounding #'s and the opponents offensive rebounding #'s (basically their chances at 2nd chance points) we are winning that battle. We are averaging 23 defensive rebounds per game and the opposition is averaging 12 offensive rebounds per game. So if I am correct we are limiting their 2nd chance points. Which is good.

The problem lies in our offensive rebounding. The averages are 10.3 for BU and 31.3 for the opponents.

I think we have the ability to rebound, evidence by the defensive numbers. The way we run the offense which is pretty much shoot and bail...limits our chances of getting an offensive rebound. This would not matter if we shot a high precentage, but at 38%, our shooting isn't going to get it done!

Interesting.....


My entire life has been "shoot and bail"....I goof something up...say shoot..then I bail before anyone finds out.

[Bradleyguy10]

Others probably mentioned this, at least I would hope, I haven't read other posts but your math is wrong.

If TB only added 4 more rebounds to the teams total by "theoretically" replacing our worst rebound, which is very conservative then NIU would have only outrebounded us by 6 and LMU by 9. That is assuming TB ONLY adds 4 more which he is likely to really add about 5 to 8 more than than someone he is replacing. Also increasing your likelihood of grabbing the first rebound decreases the likelihood of the opposing team grabbing ANOTHER rebound in the same offensive set which would make it even closer.

TB makes a large difference....case and point. I DO use injuries as a reason. It's fact that this team will not do as well if we had a healthy TB. Same as everyother year.

[Braves2011]

rebounding

I would definitely say this team does miss and need TB as a rebounder. But watching the first game against Kingsville and watching NIU game on the replay. To me it seems like we just lock-up (tenseness) and then at times as everyone will say we only have 1 guy down there waiting for rebound then the other 4 are already back. Yes the size is an issue right now. Thats just my thoughts.

[BradleyBrave]

Your math is inherrently wrong. TB would only have to add 7.25 rebounds (he could easily average that) per game to make it even, because he would be adding one for BU and subtracting one from the opponent (Shaun, back me up!!) He could easily do that. So, another shot a JL that isn't valid. I really question JL's ability to consistenly produce, and his system will leave us on the wrong side of the rebounding margin, but that doesn't matter, only scoring margin. However, I am not going to make up scenarios in which he is deficient and try to make it seem outrageous.

I don't know why you're so paranoid to think every observation that isn't positive is some sort of premeditated shot at the coach. It isn't. We've stunk at rebounding for a while now, and we do this year through 3 games. It's not a shot at JL, it's an observation that's pretty well supported over the past several years. Dave Reynolds wrote about it heading into the season. Is he taking invalid shots too? I worry that our rebounding woes are going to come back to haunt us. How is that taking a shot at JL?

[dogsrus]

I don't know why you're so paranoid to think every observation that isn't positive is some sort of premeditated shot at the coach. It isn't. We've stunk at rebounding for a while now, and we do this year through 3 games. It's not a shot at JL, it's an observation that's pretty well supported over the past several years. Dave Reynolds wrote about it heading into the season. Is he taking invalid shots too? I worry that our rebounding woes are going to come back to haunt us. How is that taking a shot at JL?

Just give it up BB....I can't figure it out either and I just quit trying. Instead of discusing or simply debating an issue it ends up with someone questioning your motives and/or fandom.

[SFP]

Our rebounding has been a problem for awhile. What is there to argue about? I'd bet JL would even say as much! I'm also going to predict that SH will be a monster on the boards for us.

[BradleyBrave]

Our rebounding has been a problem for awhile. What is there to argue about? I'd bet JL would even say as much!

I don't know SFP. I'm taking premeditated pot shots for even mentioning it.

What's ironic is the guy who's taking shots at me for saying it is the same one who was ripping AW for not rebounding the other night...which was kind of the point I was trying to make, in that Taylor Brown wouldn't really be curing much of the team's rebounding woes when we still have guys doing things that AW was or wasn't doing the last two games.

dogs...I wish I could just give it up. It's pretty difficult though. Too many decades of BU hoops in me to just quit caring. I blame my parents for raising me this way (same with raising me a Cub fan).

[mrcoachdude]

Would he really be making much of a difference in rebounding? Look at our rebounding margin for our first 3 games -

UT-Kingsville (DII) +1
NIU -14
LMU -17

So against two Division I teams (lower echelon DI teams), we're averaging -15.5 on the glass on our home court. Would Taylor Brown be averaging 15.5 RPG? Does anyone find this disturbing at all? Quite frankly it is mind-boggling that we're 3-0 with these numbers (among other stats, but this stands out the most to me), and my fear is that this is going to correct itself in a really, really bad way. Sadly, this is a stat that is more or less all about position and effort as opposed to shooting or scoring, which is more about coordination and skill. Sadly.

BB you asked...did anyone answer? The answer is yes he would be making a difference...but I guess its just an opinion...and is it disturbing...not for me..I see why we are getting out rebounded...and think we will improve as we go...naturally you already know I want us to play bigger...but I also can see why we will play big and then small when needed...

[AZ BU Fan]

I don't know why you're so paranoid to think every observation that isn't positive is some sort of premeditated shot at the coach. It isn't. We've stunk at rebounding for a while now, and we do this year through 3 games. It's not a shot at JL, it's an observation that's pretty well supported over the past several years. Dave Reynolds wrote about it heading into the season. Is he taking invalid shots too? I worry that our rebounding woes are going to come back to haunt us. How is that taking a shot at JL?

+1.......

Last I looked, JL recruits, develops, and coaches the BU team. He is the single person who can affect the outcome of BU MBB, and, is paid handsomely to do so whether his teams win or lose. He gets all the allocades, and career opportunities, when his teams do well, and, gets all the responsibility when his teams don't do well. Criticism and second guessing come with the territory as long as people care about a program. No one wants to see him fail.....Everyone wants to see BU succeed. The nature of this business....and, its a tough, competitive, business.....

[romar]

Would he really be making much of a difference in rebounding? Look at our rebounding margin for our first 3 games -

UT-Kingsville (DII) +1
NIU -14
LMU -17

So against two Division I teams (lower echelon DI teams), we're averaging -15.5 on the glass on our home court. Would Taylor Brown be averaging 15.5 RPG? Does anyone find this disturbing at all? Quite frankly it is mind-boggling that we're 3-0 with these numbers (among other stats, but this stands out the most to me), and my fear is that this is going to correct itself in a really, really bad way. Sadly, this is a stat that is more or less all about position and effort as opposed to shooting or scoring, which is more about coordination and skill. Sadly.

Wouldn't it be more like 8 rebounds? Assuming BU had 15 rebounds & LMU had 30, If TB grabbed one more for BU, that would be one less for LMU, so it would go 16 BU, 29 LMU; 17 BU, 28 LMU and so on until BU would have 23 & LMU 22 of course that's assuming the other BU rebounds remained the same & TB was only getting rebounds that LMU had gathered. But my point is that he wouldn't have to average 15-16 reb's to make things equal.

Also, to me it's more about possessions and in both games we turned the opponent over enough to cut into the rebounding deficit. It's when BU plays a team with quality guards AND good rebounding that they will have the most struggles. My gut says that LMU was a decent team and that win will help BU in the long run.

Again, I don't care how they do it, Just Win Baby!

[real fan]

Unless we get the rebounding issue cleared up we will not have a great year, we also need to score more inside baskets, shoot free-throws much better and shoot better from the field, all of these problems can and need to be corrected in order to beat good teams.

[amckillip]

I don't know SFP. I'm taking premeditated pot shots for even mentioning it.

What's ironic is the guy who's taking shots at me for saying it is the same one who was ripping AW for not rebounding the other night...which was kind of the point I was trying to make, in that Taylor Brown wouldn't really be curing much of the team's rebounding woes when we still have guys doing things that AW was or wasn't doing the last two games.

dogs...I wish I could just give it up. It's pretty difficult though. Too many decades of BU hoops in me to just quit caring. I blame my parents for raising me this way (same with raising me a Cub fan).

It's because every one of your posts degrades into a system argument, either blaming JL for the coaching or recruiting. For all the comments about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, you sure don't seem to get it when posters catch on to the same thing. I agree that we have a rebounding issue, but its not as big a deal as people make it out to be, and to pretend like it wouldn't be different with TB is ridiculous.

[BradleyBrave]

It's because every one of your posts degrades into a system argument, either blaming JL for the coaching or recruiting. For all the comments about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, you sure don't seem to get it when posters catch on to the same thing. I agree that we have a rebounding issue, but its not as big a deal as people make it out to be, and to pretend like it wouldn't be different with TB is ridiculous.

Every one? I agreed with you about Warren the other night. Forget that one? Selective memory I guess. Do you read all of my posts, or just the ones that aren't all rosey BU red? I've rarely complained about JL's ability to evaluate talent, or our talent level. I think our talent level has been just fine. I challenge you to find me one fan base that doesn't have comments from time to time on how players are being utilized. Plus there are several posters on here that do agree with me from time to time, so it appears you have a personal gripe with me rather than just a differing viewpoint.

And whether I had the 'math' right, I asked an honest question as to our ungodly rebounding margin and whether TB would be making that much of a dent in it. I expected a drop off when he went out, I didn't expect us to be averaging -15 every night against DI competition. To those who chose to actually respond to the question rather than try and accuse me of having some anti-JL bias or agenda, thank you.

[dogsrus]

+1.......

Last i looked, jl recruits, develops, and coaches the bu team. He is the single person who can affect the outcome of bu mbb, and, is paid handsomely to do so whether his teams win or lose. He gets all the allocades, and career opportunities, when his teams do well, and, gets all the responsibility when his teams don't do well. Criticism and second guessing come with the territory as long as people care about a program. No one wants to see him fail.....everyone wants to see bu succeed. The nature of this business....and, its a tough, competitive, business.....

+1000