recruiting

[amckillip]

Albeck's only problem was recruiting...... and it can be argued that he couldn't recruit because of the blemish and sanctions left by Versace.

Unfortunately, Stan's system was a system that required talented players since it was really made more for a good college team or pro team. It can also be argued that because of the talent Stan initially inherited from Versace that he might have done better with that group than Versace...... I think the record with that talented team speaks for itself.

Stan was a good man who did his alma mater a favor when it needed him most. He didn't need the money or the job and deserves better than to be vilified in BU history, IMO.

This is a great post. I think you said it perfectly.

[Beninator]

Stan was a good man who did his alma mater a favor when it needed him most. He didn't need the money or the job and deserves better than to be vilified in BU history, IMO.

I very much agree with this part of your post! However, I think he was a little lax with some things.

[real fan]

Albeck's only problem was recruiting...... and it can be argued that he couldn't recruit because of the blemish and sanctions left by Versace.

Unfortunately, Stan's system was a system that required talented players since it was really made more for a good college team or pro team. It can also be argued that because of the talent Stan initially inherited from Versace that he might have done better with that group than Versace...... I think the record with that talented team speaks for itself.

Stan was a good man who did his alma mater a favor when it needed him most. He didn't need the money or the job and deserves better than to be vilified in BU history, IMO.

Yes Stan was a good man and good offensive coach, no he did not do a better job with Versaces team as they lost to Auburn in the 1st round of the NCAA tour; Versace would have taken that team farther, Stan also was not a good defensive coach as his teams could score 100 points and give up 110.

[Braves4Life]

I very much agree with this part of your post! However, I think he was a little lax with some things.

No doubt........ Curtis Stuckey....... 'nuf said.

[lake Camelot]

RE: Stan Albeck lack of recruiting.

That was when I was college age or a little older and used to frequent bars most nights. I remember how much it irritated me to see assistant coaches out at the bar very frequently when I thought they should be on the road recruiting players. I think the the whole staff was treating it like a cross between the NBA and a vacation. I think Stan could have made it work with a staff of young go getters, but his buddy from the NBA was a bad choice.

[Beninator]

RE: Stan Albeck lack of recruiting.

That was when I was college age or a little older and used to frequent bars most nights. I remember how much it irritated me to see assistant coaches out at the bar very frequently when I thought they should be on the road recruiting players. I think the the whole staff was treating it like a cross between the NBA and a vacation. I think Stan could have made it work with a staff of young go getters, but his buddy from the NBA was a bad choice.

We must have been going to the same bars!

[shaunguth]

Correct, but 43 of the 75 wins were in his first two years as a coach at BU!

And people bring up JL's losing MVC record all the time. When exactly did most of that take place?

[Da Coach]

And people bring up JL's losing MVC record all the time. When exactly did most of that take place?

Shhhh...we are only allowed to cite the records that make JL look bad!

[Beninator]

And people bring up JL's losing MVC record all the time. When exactly did most of that take place?

Well doing a quick check on wikipedia (not certain of the validity but I don't have time to research further) 33 of Les' 74 MVC coaching losses occurred during his first three seasons as coach.

Shhhh...we are only allowed to cite the records that make JL look bad!

Granted this is a message board so communication is limited given the written format, but what does this have to do with my post stating that the majority of Stan Albeck's wins occurred during his first two years as BU coach

[Da Coach]

Simple- Since Jim Les gets blamed a lot here by his detractors (and I am not accusing you or anyone specifically) and he gets blamed for some of the players leaving Bradley in 2002 (Granger, Tucker, Tisby), then it isn't fair for fans to try to detract from Stan Albeck's success by negating the wins he had in his first couple years as if he had nothing to do with the wins, or with convincing Hawkins, Thomas, Manual, and the others to stay.
IMO, Stan was a very good X's and O's coach, and had a lot to do with the 1987 and 1988 teams' successes. His recruiting is more open to criticism, though he did recruit some very good players, including James Hamilton, who was the 1991 Freshman of the Year in the MVC, and who went on to become All Big 12 at Iowa State and played pro for many years.

[shaunguth]

Well doing a quick check on wikipedia (not certain of the validity but I don't have time to research further) 33 of Les' 74 MVC coaching losses occurred during his first three seasons as coach.

I said the majority of his losing record....I don't believe I ever mentioned anything about the number of losses. If that's what we're looking at, then he has more than twice as many victories in the last five seasons as he did during the first three.

21 - 33 (.38 - 2002-2005

49 - 41 (.544) - 2005-2010

[Beninator]

I said the majority of his losing record....I don't believe I ever mentioned anything about the number of losses. If that's what we're looking at, then he has more than twice as many victories in the last five seasons as he did during the first three.

21 - 33 (.38 - 2002-2005

49 - 41 (.544) - 2005-2010

Well for the record, I am a strong supporter of JL. Always have been... However, I am extremely alarmed as to what I saw and did not see last Saturday I also support BRADLEY to win regardless of my feelings toward the coach. Some of the coaches, I have not held in high regard (DV) even though I loved his teams in the 1980's!

[Beninator]

Simple- Since Jim Les gets blamed a lot here by his detractors (and I am not accusing you or anyone specifically) and he gets blamed for some of the players leaving Bradley in 2002 (Granger, Tucker, Tisby), then it isn't fair for fans to try to detract from Stan Albeck's success by negating the wins he had in his first couple years as if he had nothing to do with the wins, or with convincing Hawkins, Thomas, Manual, and the others to stay.
IMO, Stan was a very good X's and O's coach, and had a lot to do with the 1987 and 1988 teams' successes. His recruiting is more open to criticism, though he did recruit some very good players, including James Hamilton, who was the 1991 Freshman of the Year in the MVC, and who went on to become All Big 12 at Iowa State and played pro for many years.

Well I think that it is fair to look at records from an historic perspective. It happens at all levels of sports. Bill James the baseball historian/statistician has made a living at analyzing performance and records. I liked Stan the person, and realize that he had a big part in saving the program and keeping Hawkins et al here, however, I honestly think that Albeck was not a very good x's and o's coach. If you break down Albeck's record at BU further, you will see that 34% of his 75 wins occurred in 1 year. 1987-88 26-5 record.