Lawsuit seeks to make athletic scholarships a four year deal

[tornado]

and prohibit a school from reviewing them year to year or Janking someone's ride..

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5727755

[amckillip]

and prohibit a school from reviewing them year to year or Janking someone's ride..
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5727755

I'm OK with it if you can't leave early either.

[Beninator]

I think that student/athletes should be allowed to leave early, but they should have to sit out a year in order to transfer.

[Future Walk-On]

I think that student/athletes should be allowed to leave early, but they should have to sit out a year in order to transfer.

I think they shouldn't be allowed to leave early.

I think they should.....have to sit out a year...otherwise players would be transferring to the most promising teams?

Draft like baseball.

[amettrick]

If I'm reading this correctly, the lawsuit isn't seeking a change to a guaranteed four-year scholarship, but rather seeking to have the NCAA's ban on multi-year scholarships lifted. In other words, if this lawsuit wins, it would allow schools to offer up guaranteed multi-year packs, but that doesn't mean they have to. They would still have the option to offer one-year deals if they wanted to. I suppose smaller schools looking to lure better talent would quickly offer the four-year deals, but I imagine most BCS schools would still just offer the one-year deals in order to keep their flexibilty of dropping a player if they want to. It would basically turn the length of the scholarship being offered an additional recruiting tool.

[real fan]

I would say that you cannot have it both ways, 4 year guarantees are only good if there would be 0 transfers and no leaving early for the NBA, this plan will never work as too many reasons why a player transfers out , I do wish that the NBA would just let 18, year olds back in because playing only 1 year of college is a joke to the system, college was not suppose to be a minor league system for the NBA, change the min. draft age to 21 or just let them in at 18 .

[Future Walk-On]

I would say that you cannot have it both ways, 4 year guarantees are only good if there would be 0 transfers and no leaving early for the NBA, this plan will never work as too many reasons why a player transfers out , I do wish that the NBA would just let 18, year olds back in because playing only 1 year of college is a joke to the system, college was not suppose to be a minor league system for the NBA, change the min. draft age to 21 or just let them in at 18 .

yeah exactly......clean up college basketball......

Hopefully the New NCAA pres will help this.

[bigdaddystuck]

I really don't have a problem with a player leaving early. If a regular, non-athlete, student wanted to leave early, they can. Why can't an athlete?

[houstontxbrave]

I find it interesting a Head Coach works often off of a "Guaranteed Contract for multipule years" and if he leaves early, he can negotiate a settlement or buy out.

But a student/athlete is allowed only essentially a one year contact and it can be discontinued at anytime and for any reason with no buy outs or settlements. And if that student/athlete decides to go elsewhere he is penalized.

Hypocritical.

[Future Walk-On]

I really don't have a problem with a player leaving early. If a regular, non-athlete, student wanted to leave early, they can. Why can't an athlete?

lol they could leave early....just not be eligible for the league.....

[tornado]

..
Hypocritical.

unfair, maybe, but not hypocritical -- since hypocrisy requires saying or promising one thing then delivering another -- and that's not at all what's going on here..
In fact, no kid, athlete, or student is ever forced either by gunpoint or otherwise to sign a financial aid agreement or to accept a scholarship...
it is obviously all of their own choosing or free will...and all the terms are made clear and plain up front.
Same goes for coaches...and if or when a coach chooses to leave early, he does violate his terms and is NOT due any of the rest of his contract or pay...

Please explain what is hypocrisy here? I think any time a kid lands a scholarship offer and chooses to sign on the dotted line, he receives a TREMENDOUS benefit...something worth perhaps as much as $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 or more for each year...and maybe $200,000 or more in value if he stays on scholarship for four years...

Which...btw -- the vast, vast majority of kids do have the chance to stay on scholarship for 4 years...
Of all D-I scholarship athletes, far less than 10% -- and maybe more in the range of less than 5% ever get their scholarships pulled out from under them..
Basically it never happens at most schools, and only rarely at others...
The far more common scenario is that the kids don't like what they are getting and choose on their own voluntarily to leave and go elsewhere.
How many of these Alex Legion/Seth Curry/Joah Tucker/Danny Granger/John Wall/Greg Oden/etc.. type of players are there -- kids who are still welcomed to stay and play where they are getting their scholarship, but have some issues and want to try to shop their talents and do better?

So I contend that the biggest part of the benefits on the scholarships is already on the side of the kids & athletes....now they want ever MORE....
you don't think for a second that this legal action isn't just a step in trying to get scholarships to all be four-year deals??
It's basically a greedy, entitlement money-grab is all it is........

[amckillip]

you don't think for a second that this legal action isn't just a step in trying to get scholarships to all be four-year deals??
It's basically a greedy, entitlement money-grab is all it is........

Kinda like those coaches who want more than a year long contract, even though they are far higher paid than myself, without nearly as impressive an education. All multi-year contracts are greedy money-grabs! (except that the kids have to sit out a year before they can play somewhere else, aren't allowed to talk to other schools, are largely succesful or unsucessful due to a coaches decision, only have 4(to 5) years to play, and give up extraodinary amounts of their free time to effectively pay the coaches salary, but besides that, it's the same thing)

[houstontxbrave]

unfair, maybe, but not hypocritical -- since hypocrisy requires saying or promising one thing then delivering another -- and that's not at all what's going on here..
In fact, no kid, athlete, or student is ever forced either by gunpoint or otherwise to sign a financial aid agreement or to accept a scholarship...
it is obviously all of their own choosing or free will...and all the terms are made clear and plain up front.
Same goes for coaches...and if or when a coach chooses to leave early, he does violate his terms and is NOT due any of the rest of his contract or pay...

Please explain what is hypocrisy here? I think any time a kid lands a scholarship offer and chooses to sign on the dotted line, he receives a TREMENDOUS benefit...something worth perhaps as much as $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 or more for each year...and maybe $200,000 or more in value if he stays on scholarship for four years...

Which...btw -- the vast, vast majority of kids do have the chance to stay on scholarship for 4 years...
Of all D-I scholarship athletes, far less than 10% -- and maybe more in the range of less than 5% ever get their scholarships pulled out from under them..
Basically it never happens at most schools, and only rarely at others...
The far more common scenario is that the kids don't like what they are getting and choose on their own voluntarily to leave and go elsewhere.
How many of these Alex Legion/Seth Curry/Joah Tucker/Danny Granger/John Wall/Greg Oden/etc.. type of players are there -- kids who are still welcomed to stay and play where they are getting their scholarship, but have some issues and want to try to shop their talents and do better?

So I contend that the biggest part of the benefits on the scholarships is already on the side of the kids & athletes....now they want ever MORE....
you don't think for a second that this legal action isn't just a step in trying to get scholarships to all be four-year deals??
It's basically a greedy, entitlement money-grab is all it is........

Fine wrong word.

How about this word then BULLSHIT.

[tornado]

yeah -- kinda like those guys hauling down $2-3 million then barking at reporters that they work hard & earn every penny of it!

[amckillip]

Fine wrong word.

How about this word then BULLSHIT.

I'm OK with that