New Wessler piece

[BradleyJD]

If you don't understand why most people have a problem with this poorly written piece of "journalism" BradleyJD then that might explain why you are in the vast minority with your opinion.......

.....I guess I am happy to be in the minority.

What, exactly, is poorly written in the article?

I teach English, and I did not find much that would indicate poor use of English. If you do not like the article, I understand that. But not liking an opinion piece is different from saying it is poorly written.

The last time I checked, Kirk Wessler was listed as an editor and columnist, not a reporter.

I stand by what I said. I did not find the piece to be bad. I thought A.D. Cross made very good points and helped to explain his policy for reviewing the coaches in the BU athletic program.

[lefty]

If you don't understand why most people have a problem with this poorly written piece of "journalism" BradleyJD then that might explain why you are in the vast minority with your opinion.......

I agree with JD...I read the article,shrug my shoulders and read the next article. I don't dwell on things like this. This board is pretty predictable on responses from the PJS.
The other 99% of the folks that read the article have forgotten it the next day.
We all have a certain amount of biases on certain topics and/or people.....

[Out of Balance]

I agree with JD...I read the article,shrug my shoulders and read the next article. I don't dwell on things like this. This board is pretty predictable on responses from the PJS.
The other 99% of the folks that read the article have forgotten it the next day.
We all have a certain amount of biases on certain topics and/or people.....

Yep, your right friend Best **** post in this thread Glad to hear from you, been awhile

[dogsrus]

I haven't been around in a while, and I did not read the article until today.

WOW.....this is a long thread, for what is basically just a small piece explaining how the A.D. might judge a coach.

First, I thought the article did a great job of laying out how any coach at BU can be expected to be evaluated on his/her job. I, for one, never knew exactly what was in the evaluation group.

I think that A.D. Cross did an excellent job of talking about how even 1 of those categories can be the reason for firing OR for retention. I found that extremely interesting.

Secondly, I liked the ending of the piece. I felt it summed up the article very well.

So we return to what we see on the court.

“I believe,” Cross told us, “we have all the requisite support necessary to compete at the highest levels in the Valley.”

I don't know how or why this led to such animosity and discussion. The article simply brought up a topic on many people's mind. It addressed it with the man who actually can answer it. Nothing wrong with that.

Well said JD....it was a follow up article to when he first interviewed Cross and it was too early for him to spell out his evaluation process/expectations. Since he's been around now for awhile he could expand more on what was asked.

Journalists can't just throw out mindless drivel like half or more of what we do on these silly (but fun) message boards. It (what KW and his peers write) may be deemed mindless drivel by some that read it but that uaually depends on if they agree or disagree with whats said.

KW simply was the messenger delivering what Cross had to say and left it up to the readers to form their own opinions on what was said.....

[dogsrus]

.....I guess I am happy to be in the minority.

What, exactly, is poorly written in the article?

I teach English, and I did not find much that would indicate poor use of English. If you do not like the article, I understand that. But not liking an opinion piece is different from saying it is poorly written.

The last time I checked, Kirk Wessler was listed as an editor and columnist, not a reporter.

I stand by what I said. I did not find the piece to be bad. I thought A.D. Cross made very good points and helped to explain his policy for reviewing the coaches in the BU athletic program.

JD you AREN'T in the minority on this.....just becuase a few people on this board didn't like it I can assure you the average fan on the street appreciates these updates. This baord represents a VERY small minority of the BU fanbase.

[dogsrus]

I agree with JD...I read the article,shrug my shoulders and read the next article. I don't dwell on things like this. This board is pretty predictable on responses from the PJS.
The other 99% of the folks that read the article have forgotten it the next day.
We all have a certain amount of biases on certain topics and/or people.....

+1

[cpacmel]

T, don't even try to play the roll of a saint here After years of reading your posts of your dislike towards the PJS and their writers, you above all came to my mind as the person that best fit the character in my far fest post.

I have to agree here with Out of Balance. No offense to you Tornado, but I can't think of a single person that has been more outspoken about Wessler and the PJ-Star in general than yourself.

And while you don't hate Wessler , when Les used the term "Haters" I think he was referring more to animosity and dislike some display for all things PJ Star.

BTW, the Pantagrah has been brought up as a good example of how a newspaper should cover their hometown team. I can tell you that most people I know wish ISU would get more coverage from the Pantagraph. Which is something I have read is a complaint here as well.

[MacabreMob]

JD you AREN'T in the minority on this.....just becuase a few people on this board didn't like it I can assure you the average fan on the street appreciates these updates. This baord represents a VERY small minority of the BU fanbase.

That's funny. So the REAL fans... the vast majority... the average fan on the street.... THAT'S the REAL FANS. Not the VERY small minority represented on this board. Ahhh, how things have flipped. Now I'M not a REAL FAN. Cool - now I'm part of THAT group.

[BradleyJD]

That's funny. So the REAL fans... the vast majority... the average fan on the street.... THAT'S the REAL FANS. Not the VERY small minority represented on this board. Ahhh, how things have flipped. Now I'M not a REAL FAN. Cool - now I'm part of THAT group.

Where did he say real fans?

He said the average fan probably likes to be updated on Bradley and the athletic programs.

WOW...you made quite a jump there.

[Da Coach]

This is my first post in this thread. Until now, I had decided to let others argue this out. I no longer care what columnists think, and stopped reading the PJ Star a while ago.
But to deny that KW's column was gratuitously negative is ridiculous. It focused almost exclusively on selected negative aspects of the program, and ignored anything positive about Jim Les' tenure as coach (and there is a lot positive). If KW had only examined more carefully the criteria that Dr. Cross himself listed for evaluating coaches, he would have had to acknowledge that Jim Les rated quite highly in most areas. To post a negative column at the start of the season like this, demonstrates a clearly defined anti-JL agenda, IMO. And as Air Petey said, it's a widely known fact.
I challenge anyone trying to defend the writer to show any other columnists in the MVC (or anywhere else) writing negative articles at this time of the season. It just doesn't happen.

And for posters to try to suggest there are fans with some kind of irrational, unwarranted hatred toward the PJS and their writers, then try to attribute all this onto tornado, when he has not even been among the most vocal in this thread, is in itself a bit irrational. Any animosity people have toward the local paper is well deserved. I am still waiting for the first article that actually reports something new about the team, the newcomers, the returning players, or the new coaches. There is a lot new there that fans would like to know more about, but I guess we have to get a few more "coach on the hot seat" type articles before we actually ever see any real reporting.

[MacabreMob]

Where did he say real fans?

He said the average fan probably likes to be updated on Bradley and the athletic programs.

WOW...you made quite a jump there.

We're in the minority so we can't be the REAL FANS.

[BradleyJD]

I no longer care what columnists think, and stopped reading the PJ Star a while ago.

I agree with this. I, too, stopped receiving the PJ Star a while ago. Basically, I did not think it provided enough information for the cost.

But to deny that KW's column was gratuitously negative is ridiculous.

How or why is it ridiculous? It was an interview with the A.D. Why is that bad?

And for posters to try to suggest there are fans with some kind of irrational, unwarranted hatred toward the PJS and their writers is in itself a bit irrational. Any animosity people have toward the local paper is well deserved.

That is an opinion, not fact.

I am still waiting for the first article that actually reports something new about the team, the newcomers, the returning players, or the new coaches. There is a lot new there that fans would like to know more about, but I guess we have to get a few more "coach on the hot seat" type articles before we actually ever see any real reporting.

All of these PJStar articles are less than a month old.

Coverage of the new TV team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x85...-games-on-WTVP

Coverage of the WTVP TV deal: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x15...ecast-BU-games

Coverage of the new radio team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x10...dio-broadcasts

Braves boot camp: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x14...to-new-regimen

Update on recruit: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x19...-at-everything

Update on schedule: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x99...e-at-new-arena

To be fair..........

I checked over on the BU website as well. They had the same articles about the schedule and TV/Radio changes. They had one additional article on the Hoopla event.

I did not find any "new" articles on new players or coaches on the BU site either.

So are you saying that BUBraves.com is against the Braves too?

[AZ BU Fan]

The piece was a slam nothing more, nothing less. Tell me it was anything else.

Informative, no.
Anything new, no.
Great timing, no.
Did he spin, YES.

If that is what you expect from journalism well keep on reading his hit pieces. The PJS is a very mediocre paper at best. Journalism standards have gone to the pits the last 10 years, so now even the Wall Street Journal is starting to look like a urinal.

Last I looked KW is a COLUMNIST and not acting as a REPORTER. The difference between the two should be recognized. While reporters should deal with the facts in a story, a columnist has more leeway to also publish their opinions, and is not under some kind of restraint to be impartial. Ref PA in the PJS!

The PJS Sports Page is a combination of reporters and columnists. You may choose to agree with KW or disagree with him, chose to label him a hit man or not.

He is just doing his job...getting people to read and comment on his material in the PJS.

Similar to his predecessor at the PJS who ripped Mo and BU unmercifully. Too bad the Forum wasn't around then to villify him and get Mo's back!

MOVE ON

[cpacmel]

Da Coach, what do you make of this tweet by Coach Les:

U haters relax on KW-promotes discussion in a slow Oct

[dogsrus]

That's funny. So the REAL fans... the vast majority... the average fan on the street.... THAT'S the REAL FANS. Not the VERY small minority represented on this board. Ahhh, how things have flipped. Now I'M not a REAL FAN. Cool - now I'm part of THAT group.

Show me where I used the term "real fans" .....