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  • Originally posted by Braves4Life View Post
    Coach Les takes the high road on twitter -- http://twitter.com/CoachJimLes

    "Hav scheduled lunch w JStar staff tmrro..U haters relax on KW-promotes discussion in a slow Oct-doesnt change r focus any-apprc support tho!"
    And I was just about to post my, "Should KW be fired?" poll

    Well, at least the PJS is balanced by having provided some print space to this Friday's Hoopla on the Hilltop event. I haven't seen the article covering the festivities, but I'm sure its there since it is open to the public.

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    • Originally posted by ER3 View Post
      Hater.
      Now which is ...I thought I was "anti-les" and not a"true" fan......

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      • Originally posted by Dallas Brave View Post
        And I was just about to post my, "Should KW be fired?" poll
        Now that would be an interesting poll.

        You would get my yes vote!
        Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

        ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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        • Originally posted by Chico View Post
          Don't remember anyone saying all anti-JL people were pro-WM people. But it was obvious back then that the JS preferred WM. I would have supported the program no matter who the new coach was, just as I alwas have since I've been a Braves fan. The JS staff, IMO, can't say that.
          That's because of the final 3, he was the most logical choice for head coach. Jones had the best experience.

          And again, I ask for any article that endorses WM for the job. There exist nothing more than pieces written about common sense. That is a far cry from what I'm asking.

          I can respect your opinion, but just because a guy writes a piece suggesting Wayne McClain is probably the best option, does not necessarily mean that they were pro-WM. It would be substantially different if something was produced that said, "BU must hire Wayne McClain in order to remain relevant" which is what it sounds like when people say things like (paraphrasing) "PJS or KW are just bitter because WM didn't get the job" which at least 2 did in this thread.

          It's kinda like one time at work, every one in the office got new chairs. But each person was to get the same chair. So, we had about 10 prototypes brought in. The department was all pretty well divided on which chair they wanted. But 1 of the 10 absolutely no one voted for. We joked at the time that would be the chair we all ended up with. And it was. But I grew to like my chair. So I'm not anti-chair just because I didn't get the one I wanted. That's not how it works.

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          • Originally posted by squirrelgotdead View Post
            just because a guy writes a piece suggesting Wayne McClain is probably the best option, does not necessarily mean that they were pro-WM.

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            • Squirrel - you know what I found to be most amusing about the whole WM issue? Of all Bradley fans I talked to, some were in favor of WM and some were not. But EVERY Illini fan I talked to, they ALL thought WM shoulda been hired.

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              • Originally posted by dogsrus View Post
                I have always taken the Squirrel approach...I think he says..."I support the local sherriff". Never had a preference for the BU coach. All bring various pluses and minuses.

                I support JL 100% and hope like heck we win big this year....but I won't hesitate to voice my displeasure with certain aspects of the program.

                Its like living in America...wouldn't go anywhere else but we, as a nation, certainly have scars.
                Glad you remember that dogs. . .I remember us being in lock-step there. . .was going to post this too, but it didn't fit into anything I'd written yet, but it would've come out likely in this thread. Just beat me to it. Most people don't realize how big a defender of JL I was.

                However, my vocal and emotional support and confidence in him basically ended in 2005. Even after 2006, I was on the fence. I was happy with the job done and I thought maybe, just maybe, the way that season turned around after yet further garbage we might have turned a corner.

                He actually won me back in a big way after 2007. I thought we had an NCAA Tournament team, even though we didn't get the bid.

                But the last 3 years have only proven to me as a coach, he hasn't progressed to what I deem acceptable for a DI coach. That is only my opinion.

                I want him to be successful. I want BU to win the MVC Championship.

                I do not care how that gets done or who is in charge.

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                • Originally posted by MacabreMob View Post
                  Squirrel - you know what I found to be most amusing about the whole WM issue? Of all Bradley fans I talked to, some were in favor of WM and some were not. But EVERY Illini fan I talked to, they ALL thought WM shoulda been hired.
                  I know a number of Illini fans and few of them cared. And most I talked to didn't exactly endorse McClain, either. But it would make sense locally he did have a lot of support. That's part of the reason why the media likely was perceived as being pro-WM. It could've been a good situation. We'll never know. But I never interpreted it that way.

                  I also think most people see and hear only what they want to see and hear. I like to think I'm pretty good at separating things. . .but I also realize I'm probably just as bad as everyone else.

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                  • Originally posted by squirrelgotdead View Post
                    .... Most people don't realize how big a defender of JL I was......However, my vocal and emotional support and confidence in him basically ended in 2005...... after 2006, I was on the fence....... He actually won me back in a big way after 2007..... But the last 3 years have only proven to me as a coach, he hasn't progressed to what I deem acceptable for a DI coach.....
                    I do not care .... who is in charge.
                    And that, folks, is why people like you and me and squirrel DO NOT get to make these decisions.

                    Last edited by Braves4Life; 10-12-2010, 03:18 PM. Reason: sp.

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                    • I will admit it probably appears I did a flip flop.

                      But I would point out I tried my best to be supportive. Even when I didn't think he was qualified. However, I do not allow myself to be fooled twice.

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                      • Originally posted by Buesch N Chips View Post
                        My point is that the paper was equally or moreso critical of the process than it was in favor of any of the candidates.

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                        • Originally posted by squirrelgotdead View Post
                          That's because of the final 3, he was the most logical choice for head coach. Jones had the best experience.

                          And again, I ask for any article that endorses WM for the job. There exist nothing more than pieces written about common sense. That is a far cry from what I'm asking.

                          I can respect your opinion, but just because a guy writes a piece suggesting Wayne McClain is probably the best option, does not necessarily mean that they were pro-WM. It would be substantially different if something was produced that said, "BU must hire Wayne McClain in order to remain relevant" which is what it sounds like when people say things like (paraphrasing) "PJS or KW are just bitter because WM didn't get the job" which at least 2 did in this thread.

                          It's kinda like one time at work, every one in the office got new chairs. But each person was to get the same chair. So, we had about 10 prototypes brought in. The department was all pretty well divided on which chair they wanted. But 1 of the 10 absolutely no one voted for. We joked at the time that would be the chair we all ended up with. And it was. But I grew to like my chair. So I'm not anti-chair just because I didn't get the one I wanted. That's not how it works.
                          If a person says another person is the better man for the job I would think he is pro that person and would rather have that person on the job. I read the Urnal Star enough to form my opinon and that's all it is, my opinion.
                          What part of illegal don't you understand?

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                          • Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                            "U haters" = High road?

                            'Hate'/'Hating'/'Haters' are incendiary words that are overused today and should be reserved for much more serious topics/situations. Like the word 'disrepect', which causes me to throw up when I hear it in the context of sports, hate/hating/haters should be banned from sports discussions.
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                            Whenever someone writes 'hate,' my computer catches on fire. It's clearly incendiary and not meant in hyperbole.
                            JL are not respunsible foor the string of injunrys....

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                            • OK I stopped reading after seeing Ben's avatar. You go boy. Oh btw I did read Dallas' post and I say put him on probation! I do not want to see anyone fired in this economic environment unless they are truly under-performing.
                              "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
                              ??” Thomas Jefferson
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                              • Why not just hang the baster Thats right Have all the KW haters on this site form a lynching party and T can be the rope man Why call for firing him and wishing him all the bad luck in the world Again just hang him like they did in the good old days and every thing will be good at BU and with JL, RIGHT All this because he writes articles without sugar coating it Wouldn't the reasonable solution be to just not read his articles (as some KW haters claim they do, BUT still some how know everything he writes) than to hang him high or wish him all the hate some want for him Can some one actually say they have heard KW or for that matter anyone from the PJS say they HATE BU and JL? Please step forward Until that happens I will continue to read and use his and the PJS articles for information about BU
                                Count me out on the lynching party and hate towards him or for that matter anyone

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